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Homosexuals are growing by the masses = much more common to see & to hear about these days="NORMAL" THINGS YOU SEE & HEAR ABOUT DAILY WIND UP becoming the "NORM" -like it or not.
It wasn't NORMAL to see women in pants or smoking in public. It didn't use to be NORMAL to see one parent families & to GREAT SADNESS it has become MORE NORMAL THEN MARRIED COUPLES!
We don't usually like anything that first comes out,but once there is so much of it LIKE IT OR NOT IT DOES JUST BECOME THE NORM.
I AGREE MOST OF THE NORMAL THINGS IN OUR SOCIETY GOD WOULD MOST LIKELY FROWN UPON- including the way it has been the "NORM" for a good while now for HYPOCRITES to go around pointing fingers & talking trash on their neighbors all the while preaching the bible & attending church.
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So true...
There is one thing that these hypocrites (as you describe so well) often seem to forget.
Complaining about and banning homosexual couples from being treated like "normal" couples will not stop them from getting what they want.
AIDS wasn't a norm-- but now people live full lives with it; Women got the right to vote; Puritans got their religious freedom; The North freed slaves...
This was all the result of hard work and people not taking no for an answer. And I hope homosexuals keep working hard to achieve what they truly desire in life and not let naysayers and closed minded people get them down.
... not so allrown, coosawchic, and those of like mindset.
This is a moral issue.
Nothing "normal" about homosexual acts/behavior whatsoever. To this day, still have not come across, or been informed, on how human pro-creation (via sexual intercourse) occurs under this choice of lifestyle.
My spouse and I (majority of humankind) will continue to raise/teach our children/grandchildren to love everyone, however, not the sinful act(s)/lifestyle(s) which abound us.
Both of you will be in our family prayers, as well as those who continue to make immoral choices.
You can't be serious! Just because some type of behavior is "growing" it should become acceptable? So this means when child molestors and sexual predators become more prevalent we should just "get used to" it being "normal?" How about when your child is violated? You will advocate just getting "used to it?" Talking about hypocrites......
between ,child molestersand and sexual predators, and homosexuals is the previous affects others. It is not ok to harm someone else no matter who it is. homosexuals however harm no one. Their lifetyle and sexual orientation in no way affects you or anyone else. and if you claim it does then you need to get a hobby to occupy your mind. you are too worried about what everyone else is doing.
....not too worried about it. However, it's not that hard to recognize sexual perversion in it's many forms. I'm willing to let consenting adults live any legal lifestyle they choose, but that doesn't mean that I have to consider it "normal" or feel good about my tax dollars being spent to achieve legal recognition and acceptance of it.
If you think these folks have a right to live their lifestyle, then you have to accept the fact that I have the right to object to it. One goes hand in hand with the other.
BTW, heterosexuals harm lots of folks. Very interesting to find out that homosexuals harm no one.
ill explain it like i would to my 5 yr old. their lifestyle hurts no one. being homosexual does not hurt anyone else. you do have the right to object but you do not have the right to dictate another persons life because you object. I object to the belief in god but i do not try to push my objections on anyone else. whatever belief a person has is theirs and they have thier right to it. and if it makes them happy and fulfilled then i am happy for them.
....I was being facetious. Consult dictionary.com to learn the difference.
Apparently you feel that you have the right to express your opinion, but that my opinion is somehow less than worthy. That being the case, I give up.
what you think of my grammar or use of a word is.
yes you do have a right to your opinion. But to put homosexuals in the same group as murderers and rapists and such is just wrong. that is what i took offense to. not that your op[inion that homosexuality is wrong. if you think it is wrong fine dont be homosexual.
ill explain it like i would to my 5 yr old. their lifestyle hurts no one. being homosexual does not hurt anyone else. you do have the right to object but you do not have the right to dictate another persons life because you object.
Exactly what country is CGL a dictator of?
dictate--to prescribe with authority; IMPOSE
I have capitalized the meaning in which the use of dictate was used in my sentence. Does that clear it up for you scnative?
Your response does not surprise me.
dictate--to prescribe with authority; IMPOSE
I have capitalized the meaning in which the use of dictate was used in my sentence. Does that clear it up for you scnative?
Your response does not surprise me.
Good to see you're on top of things.
What exactly were you prescribed with authority to do? I was unaware that anyone had that kind of authority on this site.
i had authority on anything. the capitalized word in the definition was the meaning in which i used the word dictate to mean. which i have already said. your post makes it look as if you are avoiding the real issue. are you just trying to pick on me? lol. Dont care really. I made my point and im sure most people understood it.
My post is spot on with yours. You said you were dictated by the guy and then said he did so with authority. I was just wondering what kind of power the guy has that you can be dictated by him.
your idea of sexual pervesion is anything you would not do im guessing. But i'm sure you have done something behind closed doors that some one else would consider sexual perversion. So i guess that would make you a pervert in some ones eyes.
San Francisco or Hilton Head? LOL. That was funny.
....allrown, you know you opened a huge can of worm here. I personally don't believe gays and lesbians should be given the same rights as heterosexuals as far as marriage and all the stuff that goes with it. Will I be called a homophobic? Or a gay hater? Probably. But it isn't my rules. It's my Lord's rules. God made man and woman. Adam and Eve. A man leaves his parents and cleaves to his wife. Not to his "domestic partner". Check out Romans 1, specifically versus 24-32. The Gentiles turned their back on God, thought they knew better, and God let them do what they wanted. Including "their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." (NAS) Is the "due penalty" STDs? Don't know. Hate the sin, love the sinner. We don't have to gay bash to get our point across. Love them, show them the Truth, and pray for them.
You assume one “chooses” to be gay. This cannot be further from the truth. You cannot decide your sexual orientation any more than you could have selected your parents, your race, your gender, or your personal taste in music. Being homosexual is not a learned behavior. Granted it’s likely some kind of physiological abnormality exists that makes one gay, but this should not condemn them into 2nd class citizenry any more or less so that the myriad of people in our society with disabilities, diseases, or simple differences of opinion. Meanwhile what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home or within the constraints of the law out in public, is really none of my business.
One absolutely does choose to be gay. It's a lifestyle choice. Just as one chooses to kill, commit adultery, steal, speed, etc. It's a choice. It's easy to say "I was born this way" so one doesn't have to take any responsibility for their sin.
Do you choose to be heterosexual? How would you know if a homosexual "chooses" to be gay? How many straight people just wake up in the morning and say aloud, “I think I’ll be gay today”? You don’t struggle over that “choice” because your genetics (AKA God to some) made that decision for you.
Tying homosexuals to criminals does a great job at demonizing them, but offers little the way of realistic understanding or factual evidence. Under your guise of choice, I guess we could stop making accommodations for anyone suffering from any medical malady, after all they’re probably just “choosing” to be sick. A little more empathy and a lot less prejudgment could do wonders for your point of view.
Do you choose to be heterosexual? How would you know if a homosexual "chooses" to be gay? How many straight people just wake up in the morning and say aloud, “I think I’ll be gay today”? You don’t struggle over that “choice” because your genetics (AKA God to some) made that decision for you.
Tying homosexuals to criminals does a great job at demonizing them, but offers little the way of realistic understanding or factual evidence. Under your guise of choice, I guess we could stop making accommodations for anyone suffering from any medical malady, after all they’re probably just “choosing” to be sick. A little more empathy and a lot less prejudgment could do wonders for your point of view.
Get a clue, madhatter. We all lean toward one sin or another. Homosexuality is one of those sins some of lean towards. Those who lean toward lying can choose to not lie. Thopse who lean toward stealing can choose to not steal. Those whop lean toward murder can choose to not murder. And those who lean toward homosexuality can choose to not carry out homosexual acts. Fact of the matter is there will be a lot of homosexuals in Heaven. But every last one of them will have turned to Christ and away from homosexual acts.
Not that my opinion is correct or incorrect, it's just an observation of things regarding gay people I've seen over the years.
Personally, I'm straight, but have some gay friends who are pleasant, hardworking human beings, who don't push their beliefs on anyone, nor are they afraid to tell people they're gay if the subject comes up. These guys are in a monagamous relationship, and don't appear to be feminine in the least, by the way. if they hadn't told me, I'd never have guessed.
I believe that people are either attracted to the opposite sex - or their own gender. The ones attracted to the opposite sex are clearly more accepted in our society, but it doesn't change the fact that some guys are sexually attracted to other guys and women to other women.
I've noticed more acceptance for lesbian behavior than gay male behavior, and when I asked several (straight male) people why, they said it was because seeing two women together was erotic, but even the thought of two men together was disgusting to them.
One example of this phenomenon occurred this last Saturday night at Kathleen's downtown. I was told that they held a "kissing contest" to see who would win an actual prize for the best kiss. From what I heard, the contest involved only females. Apparently, all the other clubs became empty as patrons rushed to kathleen's to witness this show of women making out, all trying to out-do each other to win a prize. (Cash? I don't know)
Personally, I disapprove of this kind of thing, knowing that some of the younger women involved (who were most likely straight) might be permanently confused after participating, with the very real possibility that they were aroused during the long, intimate kissing of another girl.
But it shows the double standard regarding women and men publicly displaying a show of same-gender affection - I think Kathleen's would've been the empty club if guys were the ones kissing.
Regarding the gay marriage rights question, etc - One reason there may be such a huge objection to awarding the same financial, insurance and inheritance privelages to gays may be that the taxpayer will be the one to absorb the extra costs involved, if any.
Another reason may be a deep-seated fear that their own children might adopt a gay lifestyle if it were acceptable in the eyes of society, meaning no grandchildren, and a general embarrassment to the family in front of their homophobic friends (and enemies)
Some people assume that gay people chose to be that way. This is when we go back to the question of what gender we -as individuals- are attracted to, which goes deep into the psyche itself, for whatever reason. Personally, I don't think it's a choice at all, especially seeing how much suffering gay people endure because of their persuasion in this homophobic society.
As long as straight parents fear the influence of their lifestyle on their children, they will fight to keep gay people out of key positions connected with children, such as educational jobs and boy scout leaders, etc. It's a fact of life that would make most gay people "convert" - IF they were actually able to. I don't believe they choose what they're attracted to, and I will treat them with the same respect I would give to anyone. (Not sure if I'd hire one to babysit, though, but that's my personal right.)
Either way, gay people are here to stay, like it or not. I don't see a quick fix to this discussion, but hope everyone will treat each other with Respect, regardless of whom they agree or disagree with. This issue needs careful sensitive assessment, and compromises on everybody's part.
As for solving this growing problem of gay-bashing, I think those who are true Christians will allow God to judge, and tolerate others, however different, sexually, racially and otherwise. If we educate our kids about gay issues, stressing that you can go to H&LL just as easily for bashing others, then I think there would be less violence against gay people.
Once kids "leave the nest" they have to make their own way in life, including being true to themselves if they are gay - or not.
Of course there will always be the sort that hangs around in restrooms, looking for whatever, just as there are hetrosexual prostitutes out there, but it's up to the individual to see it for what it is, and make wise choices.
No, I have don't have a solution to this situation, there really isn't one. Education is the key, tolerance and respect for others, and insults or gaybashing is unacceptable - or God might knock your name from the book of life.
What if God put gay people here on earth to see how we'd treat them? Like a test - Think about it - and Be Nice.
Bzzzz, that was more like $20 instead of 2 cents. LOL. Anywho, I think you are absolutely right and you bring up a good point about what if it's a test. As far someone stating earlier that you choose to be gay, why would one choose to be gay when they know about the scrutiny that they would have to face from our society and some of our fellow bloggers. No human in their right mind would purposely choose to be put in the societal line of fire of such subjects. Why would you choose to be put through the ringer, to be denied rights, to be denied insurance benefits and the such. I'm reading this blog from top to bottom because I've missed it, but we all should learn from Buzzz here.
Bzzzz, that was more like $20 instead of 2 cents. LOL. Anywho, I think you are absolutely right and you bring up a good point about what if it's a test. As far someone stating earlier that you choose to be gay, why would one choose to be gay when they know about the scrutiny that they would have to face from our society and some of our fellow bloggers. No human in their right mind would purposely choose to be put in the societal line of fire of such subjects. Why would you choose to be put through the ringer, to be denied rights, to be denied insurance benefits and the such. I'm reading this blog from top to bottom because I've missed it, but we all should learn from Buzzz here.
LOL, youre's right, I gave it much more than 2 cents worth, what a great deal, eh?
Rgardnerjr, you've impressed me with your attitude - You've got the right idea - it's all about Respect, Tolerance, Empathy and Compassion in this world. When we die, our actions here on earth will determine whether we go North - or South. The people that treat others the way Jesus taught us will be admitted into Heaven. God won't accept the ones who judge and condemn, for whatever reason, that's up to HIM. So be careful what you say about Anyone in this world - gay, black, white, retarded, you name it. Be REAL careful because God sees ALL -- If it will hurt someone, just don't say it.
I see some of you guys disrespecting Joseph Stepp because he's gay. May God have mercy on YOUR soul on Judgement Day.
Joseph, please disregard the insults, they know not what they do.
You...You mean God changed the rules???!!
I do choose to be heterosexual. I choose to sleep only with my husband. I choose to pay for things before leaving the store. It's all a choice. And yes, God helps me make my choices.
You're right, homosexuals are not criminals, in mans' eyes. They haven't broken any man-made law. But they have broken God's law. Just as a murderer, liar, thief, adulterer(?doesn't look right) have broken God's law also. In God's eyes, sin is sin. There is no big sin, or litle sin, or not-quite-a-sin. It's all the same.
Do you realize that when someone cuts you off in traffic and you get mad and curse them out (even if it's just in the confines of your car), you're just as much of a "sinner" as the homosexual person? From a religious perspective, none of us deserve to be living right now. We were all born into sin, but thanks to Jesus Christ who died on the cross for all of our sins, before we were even born, we are here today. So all of these homophobic people are doing a good job of praising the Lord by bashing homosexuals (loaded to the brim with sarcasm).
rgardnerjr: Do you realize that when someone cuts you off in traffic and you get mad and curse them out (even if it's just in the confines of your car), you're just as much of a "sinner" as the homosexual person?
Exactly right. No doubt about it.
rgardnerjr: From a religious perspective, none of us deserve to be living right now. We were all born into sin, but thanks to Jesus Christ who died on the cross for all of our sins, before we were even born, we are here today. So all of these homophobic people are doing a good job of praising the Lord by bashing homosexuals (loaded to the brim with sarcasm).
Kinda hard to figure what you mean here, r.
None of us are in any position to be throwing rocks. We are here because of mercy and grace and it is not our place to judge people b/c of whatever. I'm not saying that I do not judge people at all, but I am human and I make mistakes. So, being a recipient of God's grace and mercy shouldn't be reciprocated with bigotry, hatred, and judgment. We have enough work to do within ourselves than to be bashing other people.
Are you saying I am bashing homosexuality because I agree with God when He says it is sin? Heck, r, it's not even judging them. Judgement has already been passed by the law of sin and death ("the wages of sin is death").
When a cop pulls you over for doing 45 in a 30, is he judging you? No, he is not. He is telling you what the law says and letting you know you have broken the law. The penalty is passed (judged) by a judge.
Now suppose you see a neighbor drive down your neighborhood street at 80 mph every time he comes home and the speed limit is 30. He is without a doubt a threat to your neighborhood, no? You just gonna wave at him forever or are you gonna talk to him or maybe file a complaint with the cops? Yep. That's what I thought. You would take some type of action. But suppose he obeys the speed limit and then gets in his drive and does 80 mph. What does it matter?
Same with homosexuality. It is a sin. It is a violation of the law of sin and death. I don't really care that homosexuals do what they do as long as it is in private and not in my face. But when it becomes a public matter, I'm gonna be on your case. When my life is affected to the tiniest degree, I'm gonna be having a talk about it with someone.
Deal with it.
When I said bashing I wasn't referring explicitly to you, I was just talking in general. I wasn't accusing you of gay bashing at all. Okay, you said that judgement has been passed already, yet still, it is not our place to send people to heaven or hell. That is God's and God alone's job (this apostrophe thing doesn't look right, anywho). Even if we see someone sinning, we do not have the right to send them to hell. The bible says that the only way to get to the Father is to go through the Son. Are you telling me that it is not possible for a homosexual person to love Jesus with all their heart, and believe that He is their savior and that he died on the cross for their sins and the sins of the world? If they believe that as far as I'm concerned, and I'm no theologian, they have fulfilled the requirements to get into the Pearly Gates. Once you are saved you are saved, after that point, how you live your life determines your reward IN HEAVEN. You go to hell for dying and have not confessed Jesus to be your personal savior. If that were the case, you would be bound for hell, I say that only to highlight that you are a human and even though you may be saved I'm sure you sometimes fall short (this sentence was in NO WAY an attack on you, I was just making a point). All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
rgardnerjr: When I said bashing I wasn't referring explicitly to you, I was just talking in general. I wasn't accusing you of gay bashing at all. Okay, you said that judgement has been passed already, yet still, it is not our place to send people to heaven or hell. That is God's and God alone's job (this apostrophe thing doesn't look right, anywho). Even if we see someone sinning, we do not have the right to send them to hell.
If you read my whole post, you will see I said the same thing. Condemning...judging...passing sentence: they are all one and the same.
rgardnerjr: The bible says that the only way to get to the Father is to go through the Son. Are you telling me that it is not possible for a homosexual person to love Jesus with all their heart, and believe that He is their savior and that he died on the cross for their sins and the sins of the world?
You will not find that I said any such thing. What I said, or more accurately what God says is, "The wages of sin is death" (separation from God the Father). But the penalty has been paid and in order to receive that free gift of salvation is to believe on Christ. This applies to ALL. I repeat...ALL.
rgardnerjr: If they believe that as far as I'm concerned, and I'm no theologian, they have fulfilled the requirements to get into the Pearly Gates. Once you are saved you are saved, after that point, how you live your life determines your reward IN HEAVEN. You go to hell for dying and have not confessed Jesus to be your personal savior. If that were the case, you would be bound for hell, I say that only to highlight that you are a human and even though you may be saved I'm sure you sometimes fall short (this sentence was in NO WAY an attack on you, I was just making a point). All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
I agree completely. But Scripture also says we must repent of our sin. That means stop sinning. That means a murderer stops murdering, thieves stop stealing, liars stop lying, adulterers stop committing adultery, and homosexuals stop committing homosexual acts. Whe we have stopped those sins, it is an indication that we have truly been saved. It is a matter of the heart. Does that mean we never sin again? Not really. But if we are saved and we sin, we are under conviction of the Holy Spirit, we hate sin, we hate that we have sinned once more, and we again repent. It means you do everything you can to not commit that sin again. It calls for staying away from situations that tempt us to sin. IS it easy? Not by a long shot. Satan is always looking for a way to trap us. But Scripture says we suffer no temptation except such as is common to man. But God is faithful to give us strength and a way to escape the snares of sin. But we must be willing to take advantage of His merciful escape.
Salvation is free. Once you have it, it is eternal. But as a believer, we are expected to "go and sin no more". And sinning no more takes huge effort. But the rewards for that effort in eternity is many times greater than our effort. We are rewarded for our efforts (works) exactly as you have said.
You sound like you have a good handle on your eternal security. Good for you, r. I'm glad. I have said on this site that their will be former homosexuals in Heaven, just as there will be all former sinners. So I think we are pretty much on the same page in that area. Hang in there, r. "Press on toward the goal..."
Are you saying I am bashing homosexuality because I agree with God when He says it is sin? Heck, r, it's not even judging them. Judgement has already been passed by the law of sin and death ("the wages of sin is death").
When a cop pulls you over for doing 45 in a 30, is he judging you? No, he is not. He is telling you what the law says and letting you know you have broken the law. The penalty is passed (judged) by a judge.
Now suppose you see a neighbor drive down your neighborhood street at 80 mph every time he comes home and the speed limit is 30. He is without a doubt a threat to your neighborhood, no? You just gonna wave at him forever or are you gonna talk to him or maybe file a complaint with the cops? Yep. That's what I thought. You would take some type of action. But suppose he obeys the speed limit and then gets in his drive and does 80 mph. What does it matter?
Same with homosexuality. It is a sin. It is a violation of the law of sin and death. I don't really care that homosexuals do what they do as long as it is in private and not in my face. But when it becomes a public matter, I'm gonna be on your case. When my life is affected to the tiniest degree, I'm gonna be having a talk about it with someone.
Deal with it.
And so (according to SCNative) You're in a heap o' trouble, boy.. LOL
I’ll give you all the religious rhetoric you desire within the boundaries of a church. But as long as this country recognizes a clear distinction between church and state, your biblical version of right or wrong has very little to do with human rights or the rule of law in the United States of America.
If you think being homosexual is a choice any person would willingly make, I can say with little doubt in my mind, that you probably haven’t ever taken the time to understand or get to know anyone who happens to be gay. Until you at least make an attempt to walk in another’s shoes, continuing the discussion with you here is only going to be an exercise in fruitless, dogmatic, intolerance.
....Does that count? She grew up in a Christian home with wonderful Christian values. Yet she chose to be a lesbian. She has a sister who's a heterosexual. If it was genetic, as many have claimed, then wouldn't the sister be gay too? Do I understand it? Nope. Do I accept it? Nope. Is she still my friend? Yep. Moving away from the religious and on to the physical- I can't possibly fathom why one would want to "be with" someone who has the same "equipment" as them.
Maybe as many of my lesbian friends have told me, she was raped, molested, or otherwise hurt by a man. If there is any act of “choice” it may be in the woman that chooses to be gay. This doesn’t happen all the time, but it does happen. Quite honestly after everything I’ve heard, I cannot blame them for their decision. Until you are willing to fully understand the specifics of the how, why, when, where etc. it’s all speculation at best.
“I can't possibly fathom why one would want to "be with" someone who has the same "equipment" as them.”
Just remember that as unfathomable as it may seem to you as to why/how gay people can “be with” each other, they feel exactly the same about straight people “being with” the opposite sex. I’m not saying either is right or wrong. In fact I think there is an obvious physiological/psychological issue going on inside of a gay person. But it is not my place to tell them how to live their life anymore than I have a right to tell a diabetic how to eat.
It's not a choice to be gay. It is a choice, however, to participate in a homosexual relationship. As long as you remain celibate, than you are not sinning.
Wouldn't be so bad if it would stay behind closed doors instead of making such a persistent and concerted effort to teach our children to embrace what God says is an abomination. Christians know what it's like to be discriminated against in America. We have given up our rights in the name of tolerance but we have not been tolerated by many who disagree with us.
tell all the street preachers and evangelists that. how about the missionaries who go over to countries that are 99 percent muslim? Why dont the religious keep it in their church. Its those religious freaks that hold up bloody deformed aborted babies for my children to see. That would be showing my child something that maybe i dont think is appropriate. How about all these tv evangelists that steal your money and live the good life all the name of god? and the priests and pastors going to jail for child molestation? Seems to me religion is in big trouble. Every day you hear something new. Cant remember the last time i heard of mass homosexual crimes. funny huh? preach and preach, but as long as i dont get caught its all good. what a joke.
One absolutely does choose to be gay. It's a lifestyle choice. Just as one chooses to kill, commit adultery, steal, speed, etc. It's a choice. It's easy to say "I was born this way" so one doesn't have to take any responsibility for their sin.
I have a question. Why, when everybody tries to use this as a defense against people choosing or not choosing, do they assosiate homosexuality with crimes? It has already been proven homosexuals are born with more of one chromosone than the other. Homosexuality is not immoral, and if you would take the time of day to actually do research, you would see that in the wild you will see thousands of species of animals engaging in homosexual activities.
And I'm no bible thumper, but if you want to base our laws on that of the bible, then much would be different. The old testiment claimed that it was ok to sell your daughter into slavery, that it was an abomination to eat sea food, that it was abomination to aproach the alter of God with a defective eye, that you shouldnt wear clothes with two different types of materials...this list goes on. So, before you throw the Bible at me and my kind, live by what it says. Practice what you preach. Jesus, the son of God preached love, compassion, and acceptance of all peoples. He set the example. If you people keep on judging, keep on hating, and keep on descriminating, then you will be the ones to end up in hell, rotting. If God didn't want me, or any other person to be gay, he wouldnt have made us that way.
Now on to gay marriage. I like to reverse the roles here for this. Imagine 90% of the world is homosexual. Heterosexuality is frowned upon and hated by many. Lets say you are a man, and you meet a beautiful woman. She is everything you have ever dreamed of, everything you have ever wanted in a spouce. You want to get married, and share your love,and recieve the benefits of a mariage. However, the gays are in power, and enforce their views of imorality upon you. They think that you shouldnt be able to marry the person whom you love, because they think its wrong, immoral, and disgusting. How would YOU feel if you couldnt do that? Its a huge slap in the face. It hurts, and I know. It is sad when I am an American citizen, and I can not be granted the same rights, freedoms, and privilidges as my neighbor. This is America. We are supposed to be an example to the world, yet, I have to travel to a different country (or Massacheuttes) to get married. What kind of country is this? And don't say its one of faith or diecency (I know I spelled that wrong, I'm sorry). If this was a country of faith, we would all get along. We would accept each others difference as DIVERSITY and live with one another without passing judgment. If this was a diecent country, the government wouldnt impose on us, and tell us whom we may and may not marry.
And DO NOT even go there. Gay Marriage will NOT destroy the sanctity of marriage. 50% of all marriages end up in divorce, and the fact that 100% of those marriages (besides those in Massecheuttes) are Heterosexual, I would say you guys did a pretty good job at doing that yourselves. The next time you say that gays are the end of a family, look towards history. Britney Spears had a marriage that lasted only a few hours, only to remarry again, spit out 2 kids back to back, and then divorce. If this is not ruining the value of marriage, then I do not know what is. Marriage is about love and commitment, and I do not think its fair that because I was born a different way, that I cannot choose to marry the person I love.
One more thing. Do NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT say that once we let gays marry, then people will want to marry dogs, and cats and cars. That is idiotic. States across the country are passing legislation to define marriage as a binding between one mand and one woman. I believe that the definition of marriage should be the binding of two PEOPLE, who promise to love and cherish one another till the end of their time. Adding these amendments to our states' constitutions are writing discrimintation into them. If we give them the power to do that, they will keep on taking. Give them an inch, and they will take a mile.
Because I am gay, I am looked down upon. I am seen as a steroytpe, rather than a person. People think because I'm gay, that I will always wear a dress, have my nails done, talk with an annoying lisp, shake my butt when I walk, and sleep around with dozens of other guys. But the reality of the issue is so much more than that. Just because I'm gay doesnt mean I cant like sports, or be a "man". Being gay is about being able to love another person as they want to be love. Because I am gay, I do not get the rights to say goodbye to my partner as he is on his death bed. I'm not even allowed into the room to tell him that I love him one last time, and kiss him goodbye. I'm pushed out of the room like some kind of freak. How would this feel if your wife or husband was in the same position, you weren't allowed in to hold them and give them comfort as they die. It is down right horrible that such things happen, but they happen all the time, and thats because we have written discrimintation into our laws and given our leaders the power to say who they want to have certain rights. I am not, and refuse to be treated as I am a second class citizen. I am an American, and I take pride in who I am, and that is a gay man.
stepp: I have a question. Why, when everybody tries to use this as a defense against people choosing or not choosing, do they assosiate homosexuality with crimes?
I didn't realize that was the case.
stepp: It has already been proven homosexuals are born with more of one chromosone than the other. Homosexuality is not immoral,...
Then you have an argument with God. He says differently.
stepp: ...and if you would take the time of day to actually do research, you would see that in the wild you will see thousands of species of animals engaging in homosexual activities.
True. But they don't have souls and it is not an eternal issue with them. Besides, why would you want to emulate animals?
stepp: And I'm no bible thumper, but if you want to base our laws on that of the bible, then much would be different. The old testiment claimed that it was ok to sell your daughter into slavery,...
Not true. Slavery has never been condoned by God.
stepp: ...that it was an abomination to eat sea food,...
Actually it was forbidden for O.T. Jews to eat certain types of seafood.
stepp: ...that it was abomination to aproach the alter of God with a defective eye,...
This applied only to Levitical priests.
stepp: ...that you shouldnt wear clothes with two different types of materials...this list goes on.
Applied to O.T. Jews only. You really should study Scripture before you make so many rash statements...especially at one time in such a short space. Makes you look foolish.
stepp: So, before you throw the Bible at me and my kind, live by what it says. Practice what you preach. Jesus, the son of God preached love, compassion, and acceptance of all peoples. He set the example.
Well, at least you got that right. But Scripture also says that homosexuality is "an abomination before the Lord" and that such "shall not inherit the Kingdom of God".
stepp: If you people keep on judging, keep on hating, and keep on descriminating, then you will be the ones to end up in hell, rotting.
judge: v. to pass sentence
Hmmm. NOW who's judging?
stepp: If God didn't want me, or any other person to be gay, he wouldnt have made us that way.
God didn't make you homosexual anymore than he made a murderer murder, a thief steal, or a liar lie. Each of us alone is responsible for our sins. And there is only one Way to be forgiven and allowed into God's very presence. (Not my rules...God's. I just do my best to live by them.)
I personally am not biosexual or homosexual, but i do know alot of gays whom are my friends.To be completely honest,I would trust my gay friends with my secrets and with my spouse. I can honestly say that, but do not trust most of the hetrosexuals with either one.I have NEVER been stabbed in the back(so to speak) by my gay friends,but cannot say that about my straight friends & relatives.
I also want to let you know "My heart goes out to you". And I will keep you and your mate in my prayers.
you have put that so well joseph. dont worry about scnative. he/she will always condemn you to hell for not being a god fearing christian that follows the laws of the bible to the t. I with you on this. I know im athiest. that was an interesting discussion itself.
I bet it was :)
The "proof" was brought forth by a grieving homosexual scientist that had lost his life partner.........was it the truth or convenience??
The "proof" was brought forth by a grieving homosexual scientist that had lost his life partner.........was it the truth or convenience??
Lol, You may not know this, but there is more than one scientist who have done research to prove this. I'm no scientist and I cant really explain to you how it all works, but I'm sure if you look it you could find it. One study I do remember reading showed that boys are more likely to turn out gay if they have bigger brothers. I know that doesnt prove that you're born gay, but its the only study I can really remember off the top of my head, other than that one in ten people in america is homosexual or bisexual.
One absolutely does choose to be gay. It's a lifestyle choice. Just as one chooses to kill, commit adultery, steal, speed, etc. It's a choice. It's easy to say "I was born this way" so one doesn't have to take any responsibility for their sin.
I have a question. Why, when everybody tries to use this as a defense against people choosing or not choosing, do they assosiate homosexuality with crimes?
Okay, it's a choice, just as one chooses what color car to buy, which shirt to wear, or what color to paint their house. Is that better? Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not "gay bashing", at least I hope I'm not. I just know that God frowns upon the sin. But since some don't believe in God, I guess there's no moral compass for them to follow. I believe that me and scnative are trying to help people see that being gay is a choice, not something they're born with. It isn't genetic. God didn't make them that way. Those are all lies to keep gays from the truth. Yes, the Bible is truth. And the truth will set you free- if you want to be free from the sin of homosexuality. But if not, then I can only pray you learn the truth.
One absolutely does choose to be gay. It's a lifestyle choice. Just as one chooses to kill, commit adultery, steal, speed, etc. It's a choice. It's easy to say "I was born this way" so one doesn't have to take any responsibility for their sin.
I have a question. Why, when everybody tries to use this as a defense against people choosing or not choosing, do they assosiate homosexuality with crimes?
The bible is partly truth, and other parts are opinion. It is filled with myths, such as Noah and his arc. Please logically tell me how Noah gathered 2 of every animal on earth, when a) half of the earth wasnt even discovered yet, 2) there were species not even discovered yet, and 3) there are still species we are discovering to this date. Believe you me, I'm not doubting the bible. I believe in God, there are just parts of the bible that make no ligical sence, at least to me.
Now, the story of Sodom and Gomorra (Excuse me, but I'm not sure on that spelling). God supposedly destroyed the city because of sodomizers and homosexuals. Heterosexuals are quite capable of sodomy, because sodomy is gererally defined to be any form of sex not meant for reproduction.
For those of you who say that homosexuality is a sin, I do not understand. To me, a sinner is somebody who breaks one of the ten commandments, and to my knowledge, there is no commandment that say thou shall not be gay.
Finally, homosexuality is NOT a choice. Tell me, why would one choose to be gay, if you cant marry, if you cant love openly, and if it tears apart many families. Nobody chooses those things, but they are brought upon us when we come to terms with the fact that God did indeed make us this way.
Okay, it's a choice, just as one chooses what color car to buy, which shirt to wear, or what color to paint their house. Is that better? Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not "gay bashing", at least I hope I'm not. I just know that God frowns upon the sin. But since some don't believe in God, I guess there's no moral compass for them to follow. I believe that me and scnative are trying to help people see that being gay is a choice, not something they're born with. It isn't genetic. God didn't make them that way. Those are all lies to keep gays from the truth. Yes, the Bible is truth. And the truth will set you free- if you want to be free from the sin of homosexuality. But if not, then I can only pray you learn the truth.
stepp: The bible is partly truth, and other parts are opinion. It is filled with myths, such as Noah and his arc. Please logically tell me how Noah gathered 2 of every animal on earth,...
First, Noah didn't gather the animals. God did. Just read the Bible for yourself instead of believing what somebody tells you.
stepp: ... Believe you me, I'm not doubting the bible. I believe in God, there are just parts of the bible that make no ligical sence, at least to me.
That makes you normal. God is not to be fully understood in this life. He is infinitely wise, infinitely intelligent, infinitely different from you and me.
stepp: Now, the story of Sodom and Gomorra (Excuse me, but I'm not sure on that spelling). God supposedly destroyed the city because of sodomizers and homosexuals. Heterosexuals are quite capable of sodomy, because sodomy is gererally defined to be any form of sex not meant for reproduction.
Fair enough.
stepp: For those of you who say that homosexuality is a sin, I do not understand. To me, a sinner is somebody who breaks one of the ten commandments, and to my knowledge, there is no commandment that say thou shall not be gay.
To YOU? Who made you God? God has defined sin and sinners in His word. Anything that one thinks, says, or does that is contrary to the nature of God is sin. People try to seee God a a grandfatherly old man who is tolerant and laid back. But He is in reality an intolerant God. He takes the smallest of sin just like He takes the most heinous act of sin. And His law of sin and death says that ALL sin must be punished with a blood sacrifice for atonement and to appease his anger toward sin. But His love for us is so incredible that He was willing to sacrifice Himself through the spilling of the blood of His perfect sinless, unblemished Son (taking our place in punishment of death). I would say that means He is very serious about sin and about His love for us. But to take advantage of that incredible gift of forgiveness, we must humble ourselves and confess him (Jesus Christ) as Lord and Savior. Believing in God and believing what He says is not enough. Demons believe and tremble in their lostness.
stepp: Finally, homosexuality is NOT a choice. Tell me, why would one choose to be gay, if you cant marry, if you cant love openly, and if it tears apart many families.
I don't know, stepp. You should be able to answer that better yourself.
stepp: Nobody chooses those things, but they are brought upon us when we come to terms with the fact that God did indeed make us this way.
No, He didn't. You and I are humans conceived in sin and make choices to yield to temptation or resist it. Sometimes the choice is easy, sometimes difficult. Sometimes we choose without realizing it because we are so accustomed to giving in that it becomes second nature. The longer we choose to not receive Christ, the harder it becomes to resist.
But it is never too late as long as you draw breath.
Very well said Mr. Stepp. I'm with you.
One absolutely does choose to be gay. It's a lifestyle choice. Just as one chooses to kill, commit adultery, steal, speed, etc. It's a choice. It's easy to say "I was born this way" so one doesn't have to take any responsibility for their sin.
So when did you consider homosexuality and subsequenly choose to be straight? Did you try being gay before your rejected such a way of living for a heterosexual life style.
You equate homosexualtiy with crime (i.e. adultery, theft, murder). Where did you get that Idea?
Well, I only tried it once. God how it hurts!!
Well if you didn't open your box of chocolates to everyone who looks your way you might not be such a sore whiner!
and please don't throw those wrappers on the ground.
Homosexuals are growing by the masses = much more common to see & to hear about these days="NORMAL" THINGS YOU SEE & HEAR ABOUT DAILY WIND UP becoming the "NORM" -like it or not.
No, the practice of homosexuality is not the "norm" and never will be!
Tell me, when a man wears one earring that is a signal that he is gay. Which side he wears it on determines whether he has a partner or is looking for one. Which is which, the right or the left? Also, why are males less masculine than they used to be? Why are females more gussied up and trashy? Why are gay women called a nasty sounding word like "lesbian", but gay men seem to continue to be called gay - used to be both homosexual sexes were described as "gay". Of course, the gay men had a more descriptive word applied to them too.
... when spewing your hatred. Gay women have been called "lebians" for ages. The term is based on the Island of Lesbos, where the poet Sappho was writing in the 7th century B.C. She happened to be a lover of women, hence the name "lesbian." Homosexuality has been around since time immemorial (since before Sappho, even!) No, it's not "the norm," since it affects only a small minority of people, but it has always existed. There is a fair amount of scientific evidence (though not conclusive proof) to suggest that people are born with a tendency toward one sexual preference or the other. Those who believe homosexuality is a sin typically base that belief on the words of the Bible, which also instructs them to love their neighbor and to leave judgment to the Lord. ("Hate the sin, love the sinner.") Others believe that homosexuality violates the natural order of things and is not good for the perpetuation of a strong society. Both of these beliefs are legitimate, and don't deserve to be labeled as "ignorant," as some on this blog have done. It's a very complicated issue, and certainly one that bears discussion. But please, if we are to have that discussion, let's be gracious and kind, with a real desire for understanding. Let's leave issues like earrings, "trashy" clothes, and "nasty" sounding words out of it.
The only part of Normal is that the way them people act is normal for queer behavior. There is no room for them in our Military, because the mission can be compromised. In schools, it is not proper for them people to be around children in mixed groups. I personally can't stand to see some guy who acts like a woman and wants acceptance for doing so. Nor can I stand the DYKE issue either with the Rosie Odonnel personna. If they want to keep their sickness private, then they should stay at home and practice behind closed doors....
I find your post HIGHLY offensive. The only person acting queer around here is you. "Them people" are around you all the time, you just dont realize it. 1 in 10 people are considered "them people" so when you go to wal mart for instance, there is probably atleast 10 of them around you.
There is plenty of room for them in our military. Your claims of compromising the mission were used agains blacks in the military, and women in the military. Now look at our military. Theres every different race and people from both sexes, and our military still preforms smoothly. These claims were used agains gays in England and England and many other countries have done away with their ban on homosexuals in the military. These countries are fighting along side our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, many times at the same base, and even they live and work together peacefuly. And I say all of this as a person who is engaged to a man in the military, serving his country from Afghanistan.
Correct me if I am wrong forrest, but isnt school used to prepare people for the road ahead in life?? And does that not include introducing them to different live styles, so that they may come to accept them. Notice that I didnt say force them to accept, I said 'so that they MAY come to accept' Obviously you weren't at school that day, and you missed out on this lesson. The only people that people shouldnt be around are people like you.
You have blown up the stereotypes, you are homophobic, and you're use of certain words should be better monitered in the future. I respect you, but I cannot respect your opinion.
oh now that your lifestyle is the focus of his hate, you find his comments offensive huh. You fruity hypocrite! Where is you ally saradidog now kid? LOL Some ppl shouldnt throw rocks.
And no i am not homophobic just anti hypocrites.
oh now that your lifestyle is the focus of his hate, you find his comments offensive huh. You fruity hypocrite! Where is you ally saradidog now kid? LOL Some ppl shouldnt throw rocks.
And no i am not homophobic just anti hypocrites.
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oh now that your lifestyle is the focus of his hate, you find his comments offensive huh. You fruity hypocrite! Where is you ally saradidog now kid? LOL Some ppl shouldnt throw rocks.
And no i am not homophobic just anti hypocrites.
First off, you don't know me. I can tell you, and so can my mother and my father, I am NOT fruity. You have no right to call me fruity. But your words are nothing but sticks and stones. And how dare you call me a kid! Sure, I may be young (18 for those of you who do not know) but you are the one who is acting like a kid. You bust out with name calling when you dont know me? THAT is childish. And please, do tell me why I am a hypocrite.
I'm straight and I actually have both of my ears pierced. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
I'm straight and I actually have both of my ears pierced. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
I know several straight guys who have both ears pierced. It's simply a current trend, and doesn't really mean anything - kind of like bell bottom jeans or different width ties and lapels.
Homosexuality has been around as long as humans have been around. How can anyone suggest that after all this time that it is not "normal"? For something to not be normal, it would be something completely unexpected, not natural, or unusual. That is certainly not the case for homosexuality. It seems to me that a minority of people are wired at the high end of homosexuality, have been so since the beginning of time, and will continue to be so. Those of us who are not wired that way can either accept this as a normal course of nature for that set of people, or let our bigotry show its true colors. Speaking of color, try substituting the word "black" for the word "homosexual" in some of your posts and see how that sounds.
No I don't get your point. It doesn't fit to replace the word "homosexual" with the word "black". There is a difference between a trait and a behavior. I'm sure you can find some chromosome studies that say people are born with certain tendancies such as alcoholism, obesity, insanity, homosexuality, etc. That doesn't mean we have to accept perverted behavior. In a non Christian Society that stuff may be ok but in a Christian society it is not. A democracy allows the majority to set the rules. The minority tries to convince the majority to consider thier needs/desires also so I respect your right to express your opinion and try to sway our minds. However my mind is made up. I chose to discriminate the same ways God does and I pray that he will show me those ways. If that is bigoted so be it.
There is indeed a difference between a trait and a behavior. The arguments I've seen in this blog suggest that homosexuality is a behavior (i.e., "choice"). My argument is that it is a trait. I know enough homosexuals to know that it is not their choice to be homosexual: it is a trait of their physical being. Their behaviors are typically no different from mine: they get up in the morning, have breakfast, go to work, go to the grocery store, watch TV, go to church on Sunday, etc. Hardly "perverted" behaviors, are they (at least by my definition of "perverted")?
I don't want to get too far off the topic, but I'm curious as to how you know the ways that God discriminates and how do you think he will show you those ways?
Without comparing homosexuality to retardation, mental retardation has been around forever. I do not consider that "normal".
Perhaps we're arguing semantics, but I suggest that mental retardation is in fact "normal", in that it has always been around. We don't treat mentally retarded people (who are wired differently than we are) with condemnation, do we?
I have read everyone's opinions about homosexuality. The one's who believe it's genetic won't persuade those who believe it's a choice. And vice versa. So, since I've posted all my thoughts on the issue, I am going to sit back and watch. Keep up the good work scnative.
I have read everyone's opinions about homosexuality. The one's who believe it's genetic won't persuade those who believe it's a choice. And vice versa. So, since I've posted all my thoughts on the issue, I am going to sit back and watch. Keep up the good work scnative.
GREAT! Since you and scnaivete have together taken Christianity back to the Dark Ages. It would be nice for you to shut the cluck up!
It would be nice for you to shut the cluck up!
You should be so lucky.
I am not gay. In fact, I really like women. Blondes, brunettes, redheads and even the ones with grey hair. Women are strong, and soft, sexy, kind and forgiving, hard and emotionally mature, all in areas where I am not. They love me as a man for being all the things they are not. I love em, every single one of them.
Yet, I do not ram my heterosexuality in the face of homosexuals - I expect the same from them. Do not force me to explain to my 5 year old why 2 men are kissing, do not force me to explain to my 8 year old why Eric has two mommies. Do not have a parade baring your butt and painting your breasts exposed to the world in celebration of your pride. You are proud, I'm glad, keep it to yourself.
In exchange, I will not discriminate against you. You leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone. In fact, your sexual 'preference' angers a lot of people who use it to treat you poorly. These people quote the Bible for their opinion that you have sinned. I happen to think you probably are a sinner. But then, I am too. Some of us sin sexually, some are gluttons, some are are victims of the sin of pride, others sin in every way imaginable. I will NOT judge you for your sin, that is for the Lord to determine, so that is how I am able to tolerate your sin on this world. I do NOT want an unrepentent sinner leading children's groups, whether as a glutton, lustful. slothful or any one of the identified sins. We do not want prideful people leading churches and congregations any more than we want unrepentent sexual sinners doing the same things. You believe differently. When you are the majority, you can make the rules. In the mean time, I will ensure that you are treated no better and no worse than any one of the rest of us.
You all need to go read this book!!
Very well said, Joe.
The problem with the “don’t ask don’t tell policy” cure-all for homophobia is that we do in fact live in a free country. We have a right to express ourselves. Each of us has every right to walk down Main Street wearing only a rainbow colored thong while walking a white Persian cat on a leash... just like the KKK has every right to march, or any other off the wall group for that matter. We also have a right to disagree. We don’t have a right to control other people, and that’s what this is all about. Control wielded in fear and fed with ignorance is what has created this rift in our society.
Politicians know this and use issues like gay marriage to incite emotional responses and garner support. Meanwhile the real issues of the day are ignored and/or delayed and the voters are too busy being distracted by the superficial calamity to care. And the hate mongering continues, because it’s what keeps the politicos in power.
. . . becomes anarchy. Sorry Madhatter - we do NOT live in a free country. We live in a Republic in which certain freedoms are protected, others freely given to the government, and still others unthoughtof by the founding fathers, being argued about.
You can walk down the street in a rainbow colored thong with a poodle and cat wearing a pink hat, my problem starts when you start rubbing my nose in it by MAKING me pay attention because YOU have some political or social point to make and YOU interrupt my life to do it. 'Don't ask, don't tell' ONLY applies in the military, not in civilian society, and there it is for a specific purpose. Once again, the message is if truly is a bedroom issue, wherein as a homosexual you do not want the government 'in your bedroom,' then leave it in the bedroom. How hard is that to understand, it is yet another example of practice what you preach.
As for the living in a free country, you really need to go read some of the founding documents, as in the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers, which are available on line, for pennies in a used book store, or at the library for free. This nation was founded by men who believed that other men of good will and kind nature, constrained from improper and immoral conduct, would lose a measure of their freedom when they sought to lead a town, a state or a nation. They ASSUMED that others would act properly, ethically and morally.
Walking down Bay Street wearing only a rainbow colored thong while walking a white Persian cat on a leash is not acting properly, ethically or morally. Just because can do it, does not make it right or correct in a moral society. And, I did not have to mention, God, the Bible or religion at all to make that point.
Isn’t the fact that the constitution is a “living document” part of what makes our country so great? You could easily negate the right to bear arms when you make the very same argument about our forefathers assuming “that others would act properly, ethically and morally”. You fall right back into the passing judgment trap when YOU get to decide what is moral. I’d hazard to guess that you probably wouldn’t see quite so many rainbow thongs out on the street were these people not persecuted and demeaned by society so much.
Why does this have to be only about YOU and rubbing it in YOUR face? How many gays are having orgies or performing other “acts of gayness” in your front yard? Seriously, if we all try hard enough we could easily ban just about everything from obnoxious T-shirts to chewing gum…wait wasn’t that banned in Singapore already? Is that the kind of society you seek for this country? Why do you insist on controling other people?
I understand and appreciate the fact that responsibility is directly proportional to amount of freedom we have... or at least it should be. I’m also well aware that our country is a republic. But seriously, this only about control. If any of our forefathers could see the mess we are in right now I wonder if they’d have even bothered at all.
Liberals claim we have a "living" Constitution...but only because they want to change original intent.
When something that has for centuries been immoral is suddenly making the effort to be moral, it flies in the face of those who have a good handle on reality. To allow the same "rights" to homosexuals means my cost of living will rise due to increased insurance, among other things.
Because a few have little if any restraint and are in fact selfish in the face of what we know is right and wrong, we are expected to pick up a portion of the cost.
Sorry, Hatter. I'm gonna fight it.
Liberals claim we have a "living" Constitution...but only because they want to change original intent.
When something that has for centuries been immoral is suddenly making the effort to be moral, it flies in the face of those who have a good handle on reality. To allow the same "rights" to homosexuals means my cost of living will rise due to increased insurance, among other things.
Because a few have little if any restraint and are in fact selfish in the face of what we know is right and wrong, we are expected to pick up a portion of the cost.
Sorry, Hatter. I'm gonna fight it.
Homosexuality hasnt changed over the years. Maybe the stereotype of a homosexual has changed, but it hasnt changed to become any more moral or immoral. And do not think of it as giving rights to homosexuals, but to fellow Americans, who are just as important to this country as everybody else, who just want to live as comfortable as you do. It seems like you are the one who doesnt have a good handle on reality.
Because a few, like you, have little if any restraint to see your un-American claims for un-equal rights for all, the rest have to suffer. And you are complaining about increased insurance? I think that is your whole problem all along, and you are just using God to try and justify it. Who is the selfish one now Mr. scnative? You are. The price of everything is getting ready to go up within the next two years, because the minimum wage is going to be increased. So are you saying that because this group of minimum wage employees are going to cost you money, that we strip them of their rights? What about elderly people? They cost you money too, should we nolonger give them rights? What about people who are disabled. They cost you money as well. Is it fair to take their rights away because they cost you money? Its no different. In America, we are supposet have equal treatment for all US citizens. So why should one group not be allowed to have rights because it would cost you money, if others already do have rights denied to homosexuals and still cost you money. Your claims are idiotic. Sounds to me like you are running out of defenses.
Sorry scnative. I'm sure as hell gonna fight it.
steppchild, the more you post, the more you lose in credibility. You have admitted that you have a major character defect. That's a good first step to righting the course of your life.
You sound like a substance abuser trying to justify his habit. He knows what he is doing is wrong, but thinks if he can convince everyone else what he is doing is harming no one, he can be considered "normal."
If your lifestyle was right, moral, normal or whatever adjective your prefer, you wouldn't have to spend so much time defending it.
I particularly disagree with you for dragging out the tired old "homosexual animal" story. Animals lack most of human emotion and judgement. It's all chemical with them. They get turned on chemically and will hump a fire hydrant, fence post, your leg or another creature. That has nothing to do with you choosing to live a perverted lifestyle. You know it is perverted or you wouldn't be so sensitive about it.
Even if there was no God, or was no Bible, what you are doing would be wrong. It's physically wrong. It's biologically wrong. Deep down in your psyche you know it is wrong.
It's fine with me if you want to continue on your chosen path (yes, it was chosen), but don't act so offended when you are not treated equally and with respect.
steppchild, the more you post, the more you lose in credibility. You have admitted that you have a major character defect. That's a good first step to righting the course of your life.
You sound like a substance abuser trying to justify his habit. He knows what he is doing is wrong, but thinks if he can convince everyone else what he is doing is harming no one, he can be considered "normal."
If your lifestyle was right, moral, normal or whatever adjective your prefer, you wouldn't have to spend so much time defending it.
I particularly disagree with you for dragging out the tired old "homosexual animal" story. Animals lack most of human emotion and judgement. It's all chemical with them. They get turned on chemically and will hump a fire hydrant, fence post, your leg or another creature. That has nothing to do with you choosing to live a perverted lifestyle. You know it is perverted or you wouldn't be so sensitive about it.
Even if there was no God, or was no Bible, what you are doing would be wrong. It's physically wrong. It's biologically wrong. Deep down in your psyche you know it is wrong.
It's fine with me if you want to continue on your chosen path (yes, it was chosen), but don't act so offended when you are not treated equally and with respect.
Let me put things into context for you, because you obviously don't know what you are talking about. And please show me where I have stated the words "I have a character defect" other than right there. You say I sound like a substance abuser, but your post is the one that seems cracked up. Are you on drugs CGLuther?
And why would I not spend a lot of time fighting for my rights. Would you have said the same things to Martin Luther King, who spent years fighting for equality. Thats all I am doing, and I have spent only a few days fighting for me. Reguardless of what you think or say, I will never stop fighting for my rights to equality, until they are handed to me in writing, inscribed in the constitution.
You say that I know my lifestyl