Is there something wrong with me?

I grew up in a house where people were just people, regardless of things like their race or religion. As I got older, I stuck to those beliefs. A person's race, gender, religion, nationality or sexuality has no bearing on how I view people. In my 23 years on this earth, I've found you can always find a much more legitimate reason to dislike someone.

I've also learned that a lot of people out there don't think like I do and trying to have a discussion about it with them is pointless. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop trying.

Yesterday, a blogger posted here about a new record label that opened in downtown Beaufort. The author seemed happy to find out the label wasn't an exclusively hip-hop company. The author characterized the people celebrating Razor Sharp Records South's opening as "a bunch of black kids jumping around and acting all 'gangsta' in front of the building and up and down Carteret." Honestly, I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean, but the need to point out the race of those present makes me suspicious of the author's real concerns about the business.

Then this morning I came across another blog post about a horrible accident that killed a Bluffton teen. While the whole thing is horrible – and possibly the result of a drunk driver – but I have one problem with various bloggers' characterizations of the alleged driver Juan Jose Olague Roman: A lot of people have already decided that he's an illegal immigrant and yet in today's story in the Island Packet, authorities say it could take two weeks to learn Roman's real identity and immigration status. Sorry, folks, but not having a license and having a foreign-sounding name does not automatically an illegal immigrant make.

Case in point: A little over a year ago I was working for a paper in Somerville, Massachusetts, which is right outside of Boston. One night a man, whose license had been suspended, allegedly led police on a high-speed car chase through the city's narrow streets. The chase ended when he slammed into a taxi with three people inside – one was killed instantly, one died within the next month, and I don't know what's happened to the third person. What seemed to bother a lot of people most about this whole thing was the the alleged killer's last name was Morales. There were calls for his deportation on our blog and Web site. Problem was, Mr. Morales is an American citizen who is of Hispanic decent.

I've been around long enough to know this blog posting isn't going to change the minds of anyone who makes their decisions about a person's character based on their religion, sexuality, gender, skin color or nationality. I guess I just get frustrated sometimes and need to release a bit of my anger.


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Ma'am, you sound fairly naive. Right or wrong, it's human nature to make assumptions. If I go to Mexico, the natives are going to look at me and make assumptions. They may be right or they may be wrong, but most of them are going to generalize in their minds things they think they know about me.

If it is going to take two weeks to ascertain this criminal's identity and status, I would say the chances are good that he's illegal.

As for me, I'm more than a little dismayed that your main concern seems to be for the problems the criminal may encounter rather than his victim.

BTW, if you don't know what "jumping around and acting all 'gangsta" means, you need to get out more.


Posted by KTOGP32 - Wed, 2008-05-21 10:32

...what is his freakin' name? No-one knows.

"The 20-year-old man had been booked into the jail under the name Juan Rodriquez, a name he gave officers Sunday. His place of birth is listed as Guatemala".

Then, wait a minute! I was just kidding, my real name isn't "Juan Rodriquez"
...let's see...try this one ...drumroll please....

"He said his real name is Juan Jose Olague Roman".

This guy is as illegal as the day is long. Call a spade a spade. Now, the newspaper may not be able to definitively identify him as "illegal", however, I can. This guy is an "illegal alien". And I'm as sure as the sun is shinning, he's "illegal", It's not a racist comment, it's a fact.

Law Enforcement will dilly dally around like they always do and we may never hear about this "illegal alien" again. However, I know, the guy is freakin' illegal...deal with it.

And Oh! BTW, what happened to Juan Solis and Nancy Cantu?

How old is Juan Solis? Is he 16, 22, 24, or 37 years old?
Is Juan blinded in one eye?
Is Juan here legally or illegally?
What his real name?
Where is Juan Solis?
What is the status of his case?

Maybe the Solicitor in Jasper County that was representing Juan in the nail gun case will tell us?


Posted by _undercoverbrother - Wed, 2008-05-21 10:53

While I can agree that the alleged actions of this man were wrong and that giving false information to police is wrong, I think it's fair to point out that plenty of citizens give police false information when they are arrested.


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Posted by Meghann Ackerman - Wed, 2008-05-21 11:28

Except that you may be suffering from political correctness. Chances are you contracted that disease in the North East. There seems to be a large epidemic up there. There's also nothing wrong with someone who makes assumptions based on facts. Every time it's about to rain, it gets cloudy, so it is safe to assume that if it gets cloudy, it will rain. Sometimes it may not, but it doesn't change the fact that dark clouds mean rain. It is a fact that the majority of hispanics here in the lowcountry are illegal aliens. There's nothing racial about this. You wanna know how I know it's not racial? Because I am hispanic and if you made that claim, I would agree 100%. Being hispanic doesn't bias me from seeing the truth. It certainly doesn't help when the "suspect" lies about his name or where he lives.
Please have a great day, ma'am.
Thank you


Posted by Stoney_pe - Wed, 2008-05-21 11:09

Suffering? Nah, I enjoy getting to know people and then passing judgment on them based on their personalities.

And I do agree that the whole situation is shady, but as I pointed out above, people give false names to police all the time for a variety of reasons.


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Posted by Meghann Ackerman - Wed, 2008-05-21 11:32

Dear ma'am,
Mild cases of political correctness are ok. I suffer from it sometimes. I wouldn't call a fat cop giving me a ticket fat, but full blown out political correctness can be dangerous. Next time you travel with your grandma, and she has to empty her travel bag for a random security check because we all know she might be a terrorist, you'll know what I mean.
It starts with things like changing the word "spokesman" to "spokesperson", and then someone will be trying to ban the word "human" because it has "man" in it and so it is offensive to females. True story.
Have a great day, ma'am.
Thank you.


Posted by Stoney_pe - Wed, 2008-05-21 11:47

Does the color of my skin and my place of birth make me incapable of violent acts?

Also, isn't it dangerous to assume that someone who doesn't "look" like a bad guy isn't?


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Posted by Meghann Ackerman - Wed, 2008-05-21 12:31

Does it bother you when someone says you have no rythm?
Does it bother you when someone says you can't jump?
As a hispanic man it doesn't bother me when someone asks me if I like soccer or if somebody asks me if I am here legally or speaks slowly in case I don't speak English, because chances are most men who look like me in the low country like soccer, are here illegally and don't understand english very well, but that's just me.
Thank you ma'am, and please have a great day.


Posted by Stoney_pe - Wed, 2008-05-21 12:48

I know that stereotypes exist and the ones about white people don't personally bother me. What would bother me is if someone decided that because I'm a girl/white/raised Catholic, etc...I will act a certain way or hold certain opinions.


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Posted by Meghann Ackerman - Wed, 2008-05-21 13:13

When someone uses the word stereotype, it is automatically thought of as bad, but not all stereotypes are bad. Everyone uses stereotypes. It's just ultra sensitive people who complain. Bad dressed people are more likely to rob you in an alley that a man in a suit. A guy wearing leather chaps is more likely to have come on a Harley, or if you're in LA he might be heading to the nearest Village People reunion. A Hispanic man in a beat up car with Florida plates speeding up I95 and being evasive when questioned by the highway patrolman is more likely to have a trunk full of drugs than a family in a Suburban full of luggage. An oriental man is more likely to have ninja skillz and give you a whooping than a man in crutches. Five tall black kids on the way to the park are very likely on the way there to play basketball. They're all stereotypes, and they may not apply 100% of the time, but if any of them offend someone, that someone just needs to stop being so darn sensitive. I admit there's a fine line there but people get their panties in a bunch over nothing. One evening I was walking in the Wal-Mart parking lot toward my vehicle, and when a woman walking towards me grabbed her purse noticeably tighter, I didn't start screaming "racist". In one of the most southern of traditions, i just looked at her and smiled and told her to have a nice day, ma'am, but that's just me.


Posted by Stoney_pe - Wed, 2008-05-21 15:23

Stoney_pe said:
"Chances are you contracted that disease in the North East". WRONG!

I'll take the truth over political correctness anyday.

BTW, I can't help it if hispanic's use hispanic names.

TOP HISPANIC BABY NAMES, With 2005 U.S. Rank

1 Jose
2 Angel
3 Juan
4 Diego
5 Carlos
6 Jesus
7 Xavier
8 Antonio
9 Miguel
10 Alejandro
11 Jorge
12 Eduardo
13 Cristian
14 Francisco
15 Ricardo
16 Cesar
17 Javier
18 Fernando
19 Mario
20 Leonardo
21 Marco
22 Josue
23 Sergio
24 Roberto
25 Pedro
26 Julio
27 Rafael
28 Marcos
29 Raul
30 Armando
31 Angelo
32 Enrique
33 Emilio
34 Santiago
35 Pablo

50 COMMON SPANISH NAMES "SURNAMES"

1. GARCIA
2. MARTINEZ
3. RODRIGUEZ
4. LOPEZ
5. HERNANDEZ
6. GONZALES
7. PEREZ
8. SANCHEZ
9. RIVERA
10. RAMIREZ
11. TORRES
12. GONZALES
13. FLORES
14. DIAZ
15. GOMEZ
16. ORTIZ
17. CRUZ
18. MORALES
19. REYES
20. RAMOS
21. RUIZ
22. CHAVEZ
23. VASQUEZ
24. GUTIERREZ
25. CASTILLO
26. GARZA
27. ALVAREZ
28. ROMERO
29. FERNANDEZ
30. MEDINA
31. MORENO
32. MENDOZA
33. HERRERA
34. SOTO
35. JIMENEZ
36. VARGAS
37. CASTRO
38. RODRIQUEZ
39. MENDEZ
40. MUNOZ
41. SANTIAGO
42. PENA
43. GUZMAN
44. SALAZAR
45. AGUILAR
46. DELGADO
47. VALDEZ
48. RIOS
49. VEGA
50. ORTEGA


Posted by _undercoverbrother - Wed, 2008-05-21 11:38

I'm not questioning that the man in question is Hispanic or that he gave police Hispanic names. I'm just wondering why someone with such a name is more likely than any other type of name to be labeled and illegal immigrant. There are illegal immigrants in America from all around the world. All I'm saying is that when Joe Smith, who initially gave police the name of Adam Doe, gets arrested, no one calls for a check of his immigration status. What's good for one group of people is good for all.


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Posted by Meghann Ackerman - Wed, 2008-05-21 11:42

Meghann Ackerman said:
"I'm just wondering why someone with such a name is more likely than any other type of name to be labeled and illegal immigrant".

I'm wondering why you are wondering that?

Why is the Federal government building a massive fence along the US-Mexico border?


Posted by _undercoverbrother - Wed, 2008-05-21 11:52

hey, _UCB, don't publish that stuff, it just gives the criminals ideas.

They can pick any 2 first names, combine them with any 2 last names, and there are probably 10 people who've been arrested in Beaufort and Jasper Counties alone with those names!! ;-)

Javier Fernando Gonzalez Ramirez

Juan Santiago Castro Solis - ooops, that one's taken

How about Ricardo Rios Lopez Vega? Sounds nice.

Maybe even David Enrique Ortiz Arias

And if you ARE from Boston, Meghann, you know who that last one is . .


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Posted by joefarrell - Wed, 2008-05-21 13:00

...that is funny, funny, funny.


Posted by _undercoverbrother - Wed, 2008-05-21 13:07

¡Amo Big Papi!


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Posted by Meghann Ackerman - Wed, 2008-05-21 13:19

the reason we feel this way is because thats how we were raised , to except people for people and not to lable them based on race. (MOST, not all) older people in this town dont have that ability. they were raised in diffrent times. to some white people its intimidating to see a crowed of black people jumping around in a nice respectfull part of town.
my issue with the dui murder case lies with his actions not his leagle status. anyone can argue the fact (if he is ileagle) it wouldnt have happend if he wasnt here. it also wouldnt have happend if he wasnt drinking and driving, and it also wouldnt have happend if we didnt provide him with work , and the money to go out drinking. stop giving mexicans work if you feel that way.


Posted by poot - Wed, 2008-05-21 11:13

While trying to explain how unbiased and tolerant you are and how you accept people for people, in the very next sentence you proceeed to say that all older Beufortonians are ignorant antiquated racists.


Posted by Stoney_pe - Wed, 2008-05-21 15:36
lol

Stoney_pe wrote:

While trying to explain how unbiased and tolerant you are and how you accept people for people, in the very next sentence you proceeed to say that all older Beufortonians are ignorant antiquated racists.

thats a hoot , read it again please. what i wrote was ((((MOST, not all .))))


Posted by poot - Wed, 2008-05-21 15:55

Ok Meghann - here are the facts of life, so to speak:

The defendant in the Joshua George case gave a false name, when discovered, he another name that may or may not be truthful. He cannot produce any evidence that he is here legally. Literally 98% of Americans citizens can produce SOME evidence that they are on the grid. We pay taxes, have bills, own property, vehicles, had insurance at some point, there is some evidence that we are here legally even if you do not have a passport [most do not] or a drivers license [even fewer lack this or a expired DL if they are elderly or perhaps a State ID card]. Even a library or voter card can prove identity. I dare say that a 1st grader could do a better job of proving identity than Mr. Roman.

Mr. Roman, if that is his name, had none of those documents. He gave a false name. He ran from the scene. He rented a room in a home with 'large' family, to be kind. I think there is a little bit more here than a hispanic name and not having a drivers license. The chances of Mr. Roman being here without papers to work seems somewhat higher than a man in Boston driving an SUV who was previously arrested, convicted and somewhere along the way had his identity verfied by the police and the courts.

As for the running around all 'gansta' down Carteret Street, I dare say that such is a description that most people can figure out. Are you being so naive that you pretend not to know what that type of activity might look like ? Or do you truly do not have clue as to what that might appear to be?

Further, this is a blog, not a news gathering organization. We have the right, nay expectation, to post OPINION on this site. This person may or may not be racist but they certainly painted a clear picture of what they experienced, accurately or not. For one the image painted is somewhat comical in the extent of it, similar conduct can be seen daily if it was what I believe it to look like, how would you phrase it, as a journalist of course:

"Several young men of African American descent cavorted down Carteret Street in Beaufort, making various signs with their hands, celebrating the opening of a recording studio for local musicians. The main focus of the studio will be urban music, but will also permit other styles of music to be recorded as well."

Says the same thing, does it not? Perhaps HOW it is said differs but the scene is communicated the same.

Too many people get too worked up as to how people say things instead of WHAT the say, and if what they say makes the slightest bit of sense at all. You can call me a Yankee cracker or whatever you want, but the CONTENT of what you say is more important. I'd rather have a young man come up, call me a yankee cracker to my face, and communicate thought worthy of discussion, than listen to that same person call me a yankee cracker in tone and method of speech and have nothing meaningful to say. An intelligent message is more worthy of respect than meaningless drivel delivered respectfully.


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Posted by joefarrell - Wed, 2008-05-21 12:54

Ah, I haven't addressed what "acting all gangsta" means to me. If there were a bunch of people flashing gang signs, shooting guns, intimidating others, selling drugs or whatever other illegal activities gangsters participate in, I would say it's an accurate representation. Granted, I didn't see the celebration over the weekend, but I'm guessing if all that was going on the police would have been called.

Like everyone here, I'm entitled to my opinion and I will continue to say that it's wrong to stereotype people and make decisions about them based on those prejudices.


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Posted by Meghann Ackerman - Wed, 2008-05-21 13:03

Well, selling drugs, intimidating others and shooting guns [downtown anyway] are certainly activities that the Police may find a need to intervene.

As for flashing gang signs, wearing colors and running down a sidewalk, well, those are not illegal. Be careful here - as you are treading on dangerous ground as a journalist since even 'assuming' that 'acting gangsta' means doing certain things can get you called a racist, thereby ending your career everywhere but at Fox News. All of the Fox reporters are of course assumed to be racist.

In fact, EVERYONE is racist. In the DNA to some extent. Where do you live? Do you live in da 'hood? You probably live surrounded by nice white people in a nice white neighborhood with nice white fences and nice white cars and white kids all playing white games til their parents come to take them to their white school or in their white SUV's to go boating. Given that set of facts, at least up to the white fences part, you can be called racist by many many liberal commentators, elected officials and church groups.

Said in all good humor of course - ;-)


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Posted by joefarrell - Wed, 2008-05-21 13:10

Sadly, I went to high school with a bunch of people who would have thought that neighborhood to be heaven.

As for my comment about acting gangsta, I just wanted to be clear that my idea of a true, hardened thug involves a little more than dancing or listening to hip-hop. I mean, by those standards, I'd be acting gangsta a good chunk of the time.


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Posted by Meghann Ackerman - Wed, 2008-05-21 13:27

the operative phrase was 'acting' Meghann. Not 'being' gangsta. There is a difference and I tend to assume that people mean what they say and use words to convey meaning - not merely to use a word. Adjectives get in the way so when verbs get modified I'm assuming that they are using that word intentionally!


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Posted by joefarrell - Wed, 2008-05-21 13:44

We checked on the insurance down there also. We got a good quote saving 500.00 and halfing our deductable as well. Call Betty Isom at 866-355-7803 Ext. 102 (Travelers).

I don't know if you will see this since there is currently an extreme attempt to censor one's writings in the Blogs because of some attempted forced PC. We say Grace and we say Ma'am if you aint into that We dont give a damn...Hank Williams Jr.


Posted by Freddiefiredog - Wed, 2008-05-21 14:36

very well said yankee cracker lol


Posted by pacmanatnightlife - Thu, 2008-05-22 01:46

with regard to the illegal alien problem. Call Sheriff Tanner, and ask any SC Highway Patrol if this is a problem. They will tell you that it is out-of-control. At least that is what the Highway Patrolman said to my son when an illegal immigrant hit his vehicle, and he had no license, no insurance on the vehicle, and he, too, ran from the scene. He even had time to change clothes before the police found him down the road. When you are effected, and hear the attitude of our law enforcement then you may have a different opinion. I never really thought too much about it until this accident, but I have learned from our insurance company that this happens on a DAILY basis! Astonishing - a daily basis. My son was not injured, but thousands of dollars worth of damage was done to his vehicle which our insurance paid for. This is definitely going to make rates go up on everyone because they have no way to go against the one at fault. He went to jail, but when he got out - who knows where he went.

I am not prejudice, but let me tell you my eyes are opened to this problem that needs a solution. I will not assume every hispanic is illegal nor will I assume that he/she is uninsured, but I will tell you that I am much more suspicious now than I ever have been.


Posted by Susan - Wed, 2008-05-21 13:13
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