POP: Greatest breakup songs; Hannah Montana will end badly
Our Sunday column (we use the pen name TIM HAGER. We also use this ridiculously pale and completely unremarkable-looking nothing as the front for said column. Really, it's all silly. We're actually really handsome. Um, yeah.) in the Beaufort Gazette this week is about the greatest breakup songs ever, in honor of Valentine's Day.
We have our list and will be writing more about in the next week, but we want your feedback first. What do you think?
And, please, we don't want some obscure Boston punk ballad or the B-side cut on the Beatles .45 that was distributed through a Frosted Flakes box top giveaway in 1965. (Wow, look at you, aren't you the music snob. OK, OK, you know more about music than we do. We got it. Way to go! Other than that, we're better than you in every SINGLE way, so don't rub it in you music geek! Enjoy your meaningless victory, and choke on it!)
Ahem, so, yeah ... anyway, mainstream pop, R&B, rap, whatever. And, OK, country, we guess, although we'll probably ignore those, because we think all country music is sort of sad and depressing.
To help you get started, here's a nice sad song about how much love stinks, courtesy of Mr. Ben Harper:
Hannah Montana stinks
Here's this week's box office top 10:
1. “Hannah Montana & Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds Concert (3-D),” Disney, $31,117,834, 683 locations, $45,561 average, $31,117,834, one week.
2. “The Eye,” Lionsgate, $12,425,776, 2,436 locations, $5,101 average, $12,425,776, one week.
3. “27 Dresses,” Fox, $8,529,845, 2,976 locations, $2,866 average, $57,245,093, three weeks.
4. “Meet the Spartans,” Fox, $7,336,595, 2,643 locations, $2,776 average, $28,543,340, two weeks.
5. “Rambo,” Lionsgate, $7,120,649, 2,751 locations, $2,588 average, $29,918,795, two weeks.
6. “Juno,” Fox Searchlight, $7,014,579, 2,475 locations, $2,834 average, $109,828,029, nine weeks.
7. “The Bucket List,” Warner Bros., $6,725,460, 2,915 locations, $2,307 average, $67,546,573, seven weeks.
8. “Untraceable,” Sony, $5,076,537, 2,368 locations, $2,144 average, $19,127,089, two weeks.
9. “Cloverfield,” Paramount, $4,842,031, 3,007 locations, $1,610 average, $71,915,658, three weeks.
10. “There Will Be Blood,” Paramount Vantage, $4,654,162, 1,507 locations, $3,088 average, $21,038,955, six weeks.
The fact that the Hannah Montana movie made $30 million might be a bigger shot to the face for us than the Patriots losing the Super Bowl. (40 seconds left, three timeouts, 30-40 yards to go for a field goal and you take THREE shots downfield? Really? When your line obviously couldn't stop the pass rush. Really? No thoughts on throwing something short and letting Welker or Faulk scramble for yardage. You have three timeouts, you know that, right? Why isn't anyone bringing this up!? Is it just us!? We're sick about it.)

Anyway, we're really tired of the whole Hannah Montana/Miley Ray Cyrus era. Parents never learn. Let us explain it in simple, easy terms: The things NEVER end well. For reference see Spears, Britney; Lohan, Lindsay; Olsen, Mary Kate; Feldman, Corey.
You WILL be disappointed. It is unavoidable. There are four paths to go down, these are ranked in order from the most probable to the least:
1. Complete destruction. This is the Nagasaki of pop stardom. Heroin addiction. Eating disorder. Starts hanging out with Paris at the club. Maybe a brush with the law. Married at 19. Pregnant at 20. Breakup with dad. Teary-eyed interview with Matt Lauer King Winfrey Walters. Rehab. Eternal scorn.
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By the way, when this happens, all those parents who spend thousands for their kids on Montana gear will pull the, "Hey, you're a role model for our daughter!" card. As if they have no ability to hold their kid's obsession in check. Hey, stupid, you should have thought about that when you scalped $500 tickets to her concert.
2. Hannah Mon-broke-a So, she makes gazillions, turns 18, realizes her fortune was siphoned off a little here by a corrupt manager, maybe she makes a bad investment in wheat farms, maybe Billy Ray Daddy "borrows" a few millions to start a club in Backwoods, Miss. Next thing you know, she's 20, broke, starring on a reality show to pay the bills. This is very sad but possible, given that her dad seems like the kind of parent who is a little TOO into her career. See Lohan, Michael and Spears, Dina and Coleman, Gary's parents.
3. She's a hit! Teen stars rarely end well, but sometimes they do. Drew Barrymore came out of it. So did Christian Bale. Ryan Gosling. Justin Timberlake. Christina Aguilera. They all hit adulthood and were able to find ADULT identities (the hardest part). This probably won't happen because, a., her dad might be crazy and, b., in order to be able to find an adult career she'll have to reinvent herself completely, which means coming out of scenario one with as few scars as possible (ala Barrymore). This has happened once. And, c., let's be honest, she's not THAT talented. Her next album is titled "Unlistenable."
4. Out of the business by 25. This is probably the best, and most unlikely, scenario. She apexes with a ridiculous amount of fame and rather than flaming out, she just fades away. Releases a few albums in her late teens that do nothing. Appears on Dances with the Stars. Maybe a movie that tanks. Perhaps a "tasteful" Playboy shoot. A Broadway run followed by an appearance on the touring show of Hairspray. Finally she hangs it up, singing semi-occasionally in Branson, appearing occasionally on those Where Are They Now? shows. We call this the Debbie Gibson route. Not a bad way to go, and it probably won't happen.
Anyway, the future looks bad. Our advice would be for her to retire now.
And the reason with think No. 1 is the most likely (besides the mountain of evidence we have already) is that it is hard to be that famous and that wealthy and that young. That's why most parents (the type we call "good") would not let their kids participate in something that is potentially so self destructive.
And we don't care about how wholesome she acts or how much she talks about God or how caring her dad seems to be. Wasn't Britney talking about her virginity just, like, five years ago? It doesn't matter. Rebellion is normal. Most of us rebel by drinking a box of wine at our friend Stew's house and passing out in his garage. A billionaire tween star rebels by hitting club Gauche sans underwear, scoring some heroin and taking a drive on the LA Freeway. Where are we wrong?
And we don't trust Billy Ray. First, Miley last week changed her name to Miley Ray Cyrus so as to be more closely identified with her dad. Wow, whose decision do you think that was? Teenage girls routinely want to be just like dad. He's just creepy. (Why would anyone want to be identified with Achy Breaky?)

Second, he had ridiculous fame and ridiculous scorn and a big fall from the top complete, we assume, with bumps and bruises and hard times. So why would you want your daughter to go through that before she's old enough to vote? Michael Jackson won't even let his kids go out in public without masks on because he doesn't want them to be photographed. And you know what? THAT seems more sane than pushing your daughter on stage so you can reclaim some of your 1990s mullet-wearing mojo.
Please, tell us why we're wrong. We're dying to be convinced that the Hannah Montana craze will end nicely. As long as it ends. Soon.
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Valentines Day Breakup Songs:
#1 - Paul Simon - 50 Ways to Leave your Lover [could it be anything else?] for the happy drunks out there -
Pretty Close is:
#1a - Don Henley - The End of the Innocence - for the melancholy
The rest - in the order I found them cause thats how they are on my ipod:
Avril Lavinge - Complicated
Dan Fogelberg [RIP] = almost any song
Bruce - Empty Sky or Counting on Miracle - most anything off The Rising
Gloria Gaynor - I will Survive [for the ladies]
The Clash - Should I stay or Should I go?
Eagles - Life in the Fast Lane
Faith Hill - I ain't gonna take it anymore
Fleetwood Mac- Go you Own Way
Garth Brooks - The Thunder Rolls - the ultimate break up song
Journey - Who's Crying Now
Led Zeppelin [just checking to see if you are paying attention]
Linda Ronstadt - all that early chick stuff, Tracks of my Tears, Poor Poor Pitiful Me, etc
Madonna, Rescue Me
Mary Chapin Carpenter - He Thinks He'll Keep Her, Between Here and Gone
Ok - this one is sketchy - Meat Loaf - Paradise by the Dashboard Light
Phil Collins - Separate Lives
Rod Stewart - Maggie May
Rolling Stones - Get off my Cloud
Shania Twain - Leaving is the Only Way Out, If you're not in it for love, I'm outta here [a few others as well]
Trisha Yearwood - Walkaway Joe
Worlds All Time Best POST breakup song . . .
Don Henley - The Heart of the Matter
Not much after 1995, since, well, music went into the toilet after then. . . .
I'll do just about anything to stop reading walmart blog posts - I'll even let Ian blog super Tuesday . . . .
I agree with Trisha Yearwood most definetly. You stretched a bit for Paradise by the Dashboard Light...especially since they ended up together in the end of that song:P....I LOVE your Eagles reference. Great song. Break up or not.
end up with people getting back together, even if only to break up again soon thereafter?
I'd like to hear the post 95' music that everyone is referring - how do I listen without buying a song I might not like?
how about pop posts a few short outtakes for 'evaluation' purposes . . .
Not quite sure how you could listen to the music without buying it other than yahoo music. They usually give you a 20-30 second piece of a song for free. Maybe check that out. And sadly most breakups do end that way...poor Meatloaf.
Try this website:
www.tropicalglen.com
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Avril Lavinge - Complicated on my ipod.
Not gonna be there.
Got any Tiffany? or Michael Bolton?
Avril Lavinge - Complicated on my ipod.
Not gonna be there.
Got any Tiffany? or Michael Bolton?
Friends don't let friends drive Fords.
The people who gave us the Aspire.
I do enjoy the double entendre with the best of them, good job.
http://www.myspace.com/doubleentendremusic
your friend, enginuity
Well, let me put my list on here, I am sure I will get some flack for it....
1) the ultimate- Whitney Houston I Will Always Love You
2) Bonnie Raitt- I Can't Make you Love Me
3)No Doubt- Don't Speak
4)Dido- White Flag
5)Tori Amos- Tear in My Hand
6)Sheryl Crow- My Favorite Mistake
7)Alanis Morissette- You Oughta Know
8)Richard Marx- Hold Onto the Night
9)George Strait- You Look so Good in Love
10)Randy Travis-Diggin up Bones
Look, the last 2 are sentimental favorites, pick on Travis all you want, but leave George Strait out of it. I will get seriously offended:)
My #1 is "At This Moment" Billy Vera and the Beaters.
My #1 is "At This Moment" Billy Vera and the Beaters.
The best, I stll break out the pictured dart board, everytime I hear this.
Joe Farrell, is it stalking if I know her address both at home and work, her parents, brothers and sisters residences and work places, and the fact that she ate alone at "the Olive Garden" on Decker Blvd. in Columbia, went straight home until garage sailing on Saturday?
After 33 years, I call it casual curiousity.
Well the song is great, I'll be playing it on my way up 26 thursday night.
Thanks
I am SO glad we can blog about something other than Walmart - geesh. Just build that darn thing already, or not -
Where WAS Ian blogging Super Tuesday - he'd STILL be up - the coffee shakes and the Tums - we only blog Iowa?
I dunno enginuity, thats TMI - if she's in Columbia and you're in Beaufort - thats getting pretty close - get a dog. . .
I am SO glad we can blog about something other than Walmart - geesh. Just build that darn thing already, or not -
Where WAS Ian blogging Super Tuesday - he'd STILL be up - the coffee shakes and the Tums - we only blog Iowa?
I dunno enginuity, thats TMI - if she's in Columbia and you're in Beaufort - thats getting pretty close - get a dog. . .
I'll add to the list:
"Last Day of Our Acquaintance" - Sinead O'Connor (...I'll meet you later in somebody's office...to finalize the details...)
"Let 'er Rip" - Dixie Chicks (..c'mon baby say it, do you think I'm gonna cry and rip out the phone...I ain't gonna die...)
"Give Me One Reason" - Tracy Chapman (...I don't want to leave you lonely, you gotta make me change my mind...)
"Don't Come Around Here No More" - Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers (---give it up...)
"Your Little Secret" (...I can't, I won't, my God...) & "Bring Me Some Water" (...can't you see I'm burning alive...) - Melissa Etheridge
"Hit Me with Your Best Shot" - Pat Benatar (...put another notch in my lipstick case...)
"Another Nail in My Heart" (...in the bar the pianoman's found another nail for my heart...) & "Black Coffee in Bed" (...a stain on my notebook is all I have left...) - Squeeze
"True" - Concrete Blonde (...I am all I can be and all I can do...)
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You're all wrong. The greatest breakup song ever is Boyz II Men's End of the Road, which is the creepiest song ever written for 16 year old boys. Self indulgent, egotistical, stalkerish, angry, all-around wacko -- it's great.
We'll be writing more about this '90s gem later. In the meantime, continue your suggestions for runnerup.
You just HAD to mention the Boyz II Men???????!!!!! Brings me back to the good old days when MTV actually played videos. The speaking solo by the guy with the really low voice makes me want to throw up. UHHHHHH!!! Now it is truly going to be a crappy day because there is no way that I will be able to get that song out of my head!!
just heard it the other day...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyGAvulgWmw
not usually one for country songs but....
I also like kelly clarkson's since you've been gone... didn't really love it till I heard it live..
Shot through the heart! And you're to blame! You give loooooooove .... A BAD NAME!
Well, most of my favorites have already been mentioned. Let me just say "ditto" to greats like "I Can't Make You Love Me," "White Flag," and "The Heart of the Matter." I thought I'd add some others, including some oldies...
After the Love Has Gone – Earth Wind & Fire
Alone Again, Naturally – Gilbert O’Sullivan
It’s Too Late – Carol Kane
You’re So Vain – Carly Simon
In My Life – The Beatles
You Were Meant for Me – Jewel
You Don’t Bring Me Flowers – Streisand & Diamond
The Way We Were - Barbare Streisand
If You Leave Me Now – Eagles
Love Hurts - Nazareth (?)
I Will Remember You – Sarah McLachlin
You Were Meant for Me....great song. I can't believe I forgot Carly Simon. Great songs....
Okay, I know you said country songs would not be considered...BUT....
the all-time saddest tear-jerking breakup/love song in history has GOT to be
" He Stopped Loving Her Today" by George Jones (I think, wayyyy before my time)You can't possibly disagree with this choice if you listen to the words.
I must concur with margjeff: Carly Simon's "You're So Vain" is a fanfreakintastic break-up song even though it's actually a post-break-up song. It features what I like to refer to as the "dishonest narrator." The truth is entirely in the subtext. I remember debating this with a friend who said the song was stupid because "she claims the song isn't about him when it obviously is."
My friend is stupid. That's exactly why the song is great. (It's also supposedly about Warren Beatty, which is unequivocally cool.) When people bring the hammer down on relationships they get stupid: they lie, they embrace denial, they act like complete morons and they write songs about people they claim they aren't writing songs about.
Carly Simon did this beautifully. And that's a compliment. I was recently reminded of that when Beyonce released the song "Irreplaceable." Beyonce is like eight different things in that song at the same time. It's like this intense, angry girl-power song and at the same time it's melancholic and regretful. And she's all those things at once. It really is a pop masterpiece.
As for Hannah Montana, it's important to note that she made $30 million -- in less than 700 theaters. She averaged more than $40,000 per theater. Those are monster numbers.
This is only the beginning. The era has yet to begin.
Perhaps it was off the greatest selling album of all time,
until replaced by Michael's Thriller, Tapestry, by Carole King?
Couldn't help myself, as I agree about the breakup song,
but heck, now I have a dog.
thanks to joe ferel (jus kiddin)
your friend enginuity
According to a friend of mine who sings with her on tour right now, Miley's as sweet and well-adjusted a kid you could expect in these circumstances.
I'm predicting the Debbie Gibson route. Which, as you said, wouldn't be so bad.
What does this mean? How sweet was Britney at 16? Our prediction still stands!
It's Billy Ray we have our eyes on. He's trouble.
Miley Cyrus is her father's cash cow. No one would put all this crap on their very young, impressionable daughter if they weren't in it for the CASH. Sad situation, by the way, there have already been some "questionable" photos of her with some nasty rumors. Her Daddy better make sure no one taints his little girls image too soon or it will be over sooner than we expect. Look at Jamie Lynn Spears...cute little girl with a Disney show...pregnant with Mom selling the story to magazines for a quick buck.