I'll say what I've said before . . .

When it comes to 2 people living together in the civil aspects of marriage, ALL the state can do is create a contract establishing financial and health care responsibilities. Thats all the marriage license is; a contract. Divorce terminates the contract, and sets the financial responsbility of the parties. Marriage traditionally has involved joint financial relationship and child rearing; both critical state interests.

Marriage is a state of grace endorsed and created for man and woman by God.

When it comes to the civil aspects of marriage, calling it marriage or a civil union is a semantic argument; it is only about children and money. As a conservative, and Christian, I see homosexuality as a sin, but no more of a sin than theft, gluttony, premarital sex or any one of the multifarious sins we live in every day.

It is NOT for ME to determine a punishment for the sin of homosexuality. Just as it is not for me to create punishments for other sins, like premarital sex, excessive drinking, 'recreational' drugs, adultery, etc etc. It is NOT for me to bar homosexuals from the rights of the contract of civil union. I believe we should ALL get a civil union from the state, and that all the same rights for anything the state creates.

Marriage is something that happens before God and family, whether in a synagogue, mosque or church.

Actually there are 3 candidates that support gay marriage. Dennis, Ron Paul and Mike Gravel. Its a shame that neither of them really have a shot at either nomination.

I received this article this morning as a forward, and thought it was interesting enought to post here. Just a few more tidbits on Hillary:
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When former FBI Agent, Gary Aldrich, wrote his book, "Unlimited Access: An FBI Agent Inside The Clinton White House", he strenuously wanted to expose the Clinton's actions which endangered National Security. Little did he realize, when he was reporting personal observations of Clinton behavior, he was providing iron-clad proof that Bill and Hillary are, indeed, powerful Illuminist witches.
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In 1933, a funny looking man with a moustache swayed enough Germans so that he was first elected, and then allowed to rise, to the post of absolute dictatorship -- Adolf Hitler. But, he was the most popular man in Germany, and remained so until just before Germany collapsed under allied firepower in 1945. At the very beginning, in 1933, certain White Magic Occultists recognized that Hitler was demonically possessed, and that he was a practitioner of the Black Magick Arts. Their vigorous attempts to warn people absolutely fell on deaf ears. Nobody believed him, and many of those who refused to believe died in Hitler's Holocaust. If only more people had believed the warnings that Hitler had a dark, black, demonic side. Now, in 1998, we are issuing the same type of warnings about Bill and Hillary Clinton. Listen carefully to our proofs.

Gary Aldrich, former FBI Agent assigned to the Bush White House as the FBI Liaison, was retained in that position by the Clinton White House. This practice of having an FBI Agent keeping an office within the White House complex, was a tradition dating back six presidents, to Lyndon Johnson. The purpose of this FBI White House office was to maintain a "comprehensive and effective security system ... to protect national security, the president, the taxpayer, and the White House itself". ["Unlimited Access", by Gary Aldrich, p. 5-6] The FBI traditionally assigned one of its very best and finest to occupy this position. FBI agents are trained investigators, able to not only solve complex and difficult criminal cases, but to be able to testify in a court of law about the findings of their investigations. Agents such as Aldrich are thoroughly trained observers of all that is occurring before their eyes, as well as to pick up tiny fragments of evidence in a crime scene. Therefore, when an FBI agent observes something, he does so in a way that will stand up in a court of law. Aldrich notes this fact most succinctly. "Most people with any knowledge of criminal investigations agree that FBI agents are the best investigators in the world." [p. 213]

Agent Aldrich observed much in the course of the nearly 3 years he spent at the Clinton White House [1993-1995] that led him to a sobering conclusion: "... the Clinton Administration was a corrupt disaster, beyond redemption or repair". [p. 154] What Agent Aldrich was referring to as "corrupt" were the deliberate attempts to block standard FBI background checks on White House staffers, to the blatant drug use by staffers, to the deliberate policy of allowing people without high security clearances to read Top Secret [and above] material, and to the deliberate lapses of National Security policy at the highest level, actions that Aldrich feared could lead to an attack on the United States by either Russia or China.

However, Aldrich unwittingly gave us information, based upon his personal observances of behavior by Bill and Hillary Clinton that absolutely identifies them as the powerful, practicing Illuminist witches we have always said they were. Of course, since Aldrich was not trained in Black Magick Occult, he did not realize that these observations were so damning. Aldrich did not realize he had just opened the door to confirming Doc Marquis'[Former Illuminist Witch] assertion that Bill and Hillary were powerful practicing witches, and that Hillary was the most powerful. Since Agent Aldrich has provided so much material from his book, we shall have to devote several articles to this subject. We have discussed the occult nature of Aldrich's observations with Doc Marquis, former Illuminist witch, now a Born Again Christian, in preparing for this article.

THE SMOKING GUN -- PROOF POSITIVE THAT HILLARY CLINTON IS AN ILLUMINIST WITCH

In Christmas, 1993, and again in 1994, the First Lady directed the decoration of the Christmas Tree in the Blue Room, in accordance with a long-standing White House tradition. Aldrich noted that this Tradition had become so pronounced that the tree which the First Lady set up became a reflection of who she was. We want to allow Aldrich the opportunity to speak for himself. "If the ornament is especially well-made, there is a good chance it will be selected for the tree in the Blue Room, the first lady's tree. The first lady's tree is the 'Mother of All Trees', and the one that's supposed to capture the 'message' of the first lady herself." [p. 100] In other words, this tree was supposed to capture the essence of the soul of the First Lady, and for the things important to her.

Therefore, Aldrich was terribly shocked when he participated in the unpacking of the ornaments which were to go on the First Lady's Christmas tree. Aldrich described these ornaments as "pornographic"; however, we immediately recognized them as being standard occultic symbols, and Black Magick symbols at that! The fact that Hillary put such a tree up two years in a row (1993-1994) is proof positive that she is a deep occultist! Only a Black Magick occultist would conceive of such "decorations" to adorn her Christmas Tree. We list these occultic ornaments, below, in black; we show Marquis' explanation in red; if we add explanation to his, our explanation will be in blue . We will be quoting from Aldrich's book, "Unlimited Access", p. 102-6.

OCCULTIC ORNAMENTS ADORNING HILLARY'S CHRISTMAS TREE

1) "Fertility god, made of carved dark wood, and put together so they look like stick figures." -- The male Fertility god is in authority during this time of the year. Sex is paramount in the religion of the occultist, and its celebration is one of the highest activities in which occultists can participate. From September 21 to March 21, the male Fertility god is in control of the earth. From March 21 to September 21, the Female goddess assumes supreme leadership. Therefore, the occultist will celebrate either the sex act or the male sex organs at this time of year, preponderantly.

2) "Twelve Lords a-leaping. The ornament consisted of tiny clay male figurines. Each was naked and had a large erection." Once again, you can see the predominance of the male sex organ on display. This associates directly with the male fertility god, above. Human sacrifice is also required on December 21, Yule. During the next 12 days, until Jan 1, this is the transition between the Old Year to the New Year in the American occult world. Notice that there are precisely 12 days from the occult holiday, December 21, to the New Year of January 1. Most people do not realize that this part of our Christmas celebration has such a Satanic foundation.

3) "Two Turtle Doves, but they didn't have shells this time -- they were joined together in an act of bird fornication." This represents the sexual union of the god and goddess. Usually the two preferred times of sexual union are during the two times of the Equinox when the transfer of authority is occurring. This act is also symbol of the sex rite. Once again, you can see the occultic obsession with the sex act. This is totally occultic, and is totally revealing of the type of person Hillary and Bill truly are, in their heart of inner hearts -- witches. This image shows the general occult theme of the male god and female goddess in the tantric sex act. Tantric sex is the occult belief that the energy inherent in the act of sexual climax can be used for occultic purposes, like casting of spells. We later refer to this belief as "Sex Magick", in paragraph 7.

4) "Five Golden rings -- sex toys known as 'cock rings' " This is emblematic of the phallic god. Sex worship is a major part of the occult religion. Occultists are big into the veneration of phallic objects [for the uninitiated among you, a phallic object is a stylistic representation of the male penis. "The phallus is a Pagan fertility symbol which represents generation, virility, and aggression." [Anton LaVey, "Satanic Bible", p. 139].

The most venerated phallic object is the Obelisk, because it is believed to be the place where the spirit of the Egyptian Sun God, Ra, resides. Each dedicated occultist is supposed to bow several times daily to the obelisk. Rather than describing the shape of the obelisk to you, I shall just tell you that the most famous obelisk in modern history is the Washington Monument. For a full disclosure of the significance of the Washington Monument, read NEWS1081, "Freemason Site Confirms Government Center In Washington, D.C., Was Deliberately Created With Freemason Occult Symbols".

5) "Another mystery ornament was the gingerbread man. There were five small, gold rings: one in his ear, one in his nose, one through his nipple, one through his belly button, and of course, the ever-popular cock ring." [Read above for description of the cock ring]. These are the five places where the occult five-fold kiss is given during a ritual. This kiss is a simple blessing in the occult, a recognition, and a welcoming. During an occult ceremony, a man gets his penis kissed; [Sounds kind of what Bill Clinton wanted all these girls, like Paula Jones, to do to him].

"This is part of the Legend, or Myth, of the god and goddess of witchcraft. The goddess had never loved, but she wanted to solve all mysteries, even death, and so she journeyed to the Netherworld. When she was challenged by the Guardians of the Netherworld, she was forced to disrobe and give up all her jewelry. But, since she was so beautiful, the god of the Netherworld fell in love with her, and kissed her. He wanted her to abide with him in Death, but she would not. Because she refused, she was made to suffer the symbolic scourge of death. Her beauty remained, so the god of the Netherworld taught her all the mysteries. He then gave her the Five-Fold Kiss", which is still practiced among the occult today.

Only a dedicated occultist would conceive of such an "ornament"! Hillary is now to be recognized as the powerful witch she truly is. She and Bill have often talked about operating a "Co-Presidency", about which we shall speak in another article. Here, she is approving occult ornaments which clearly depict the duality of the god and goddess of the occult, male and female, with a typical emphasis on sex and sex organs!

6) "Here was another five golden rings ornament -- five gold-wrapped condoms" Once again, we have sex on display, but this time, we see a slightly different picture, a picture of the completed sex act. A condom is designed to catch the male sperm upon ejaculation; therefore, a condom can be viewed as a symbol of the completed sex act. The significance of this revelation will become apparent after we share a similar ornament, in paragraph 7, followed by Marquis' explanation.

7) "There were other condom ornaments, some still in the wrapper, some not. Two sets had been 'blown' into balloons and tied to small trees." This is eemblematic of the Fertility Rites of 'Sexual Magick'. Sexual Magick is defined as that part of the occult belief that the energy of the sexual organism can be used for spell casting. T his the most obvious fulfillment of Paul's definition of a pagan in Romans 1:25, "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." Whenever anyone asks you what your definition of pagan is, quote this Scripture. Even self-confessed pagans will agree with it!

In this surprising occult belief, pagans are taught that they can achieve great power in the casting of spells if they can use the energy they believe is inherent in the precise moment of the climax of the sex act. Thus, it is very common for witches who are casting spells to engage in a sex act at the precise moment they are climaxing. This energy from a sexual organism can be realized from a heterosexual act, a lesbian act, or a homosexual act! Remember, occultists teach a "Duality In Nature" doctrine, which means that Nature can only be healthy if it is "balanced". Therefore, the occultist will believe that the highest level in witchcraft must involve sex acts that are both heterosexual and homosexual!

8) On top of the tree, there was a large stainless-steel ball pierced by colored shafts. This is the "orb" of the "Sun god". The Winter god is a personification of the god of the dead. This is because this god is a successor to the Celtic god of the dead -- Samoan -- worshipped during Halloween. The male Winter god begins his reign during the Autumnal Equinox, Mabon [Sept 21], and ends March 21, when the goddess comes to life during the Spring Equinox. March 21st is manifested as the Spring goddess at first, and then on May 1st, the night of Beltain, she is fully manifested as the Earth Mother, called among other names, Diana, and Gaia. Both March 21 and May 1 call for human sacrifice. The third manifestation of the goddess is Sept 21st and she is called the Crone. Human sacrifice is called for on Sept 21, March 21, and May 1. When Hillary put up this Sun Orb, she is passing her supreme authority to the male Sun god, until March 21st when the goddess takes this supreme authority back. This means that, throughout the occult year, the male god rules for six months, and the female goddess rules for the other six months, another example of the Duality of Nature principle.

When Hillary placed the orb on top of this tree, she is yielding to the male god [Bill Clinton] until March 21. I find it interesting, also, that Hillary placed a similar stainless steel orb on top the traditional Christmas tree on the lawn of the White House. Thus, she was flashing a signal to the entire occult world that the Illuminists control the White House.

This action of placing the orb on top of the tree must be done by the female. Therefore, I find it entirely logical that Hillary put this orb on top of her tree in the Blue Room, and then have it reported that she placed the similar orb on top of the Christmas tree outside of the White House. Once again, she was sending a signal through an occult symbol, that no one except those familiar with the occult, would recognize. This orb then became an occult "Magic Symbol". Listen to the importance the occultist places on these type of symbols. "What is a magical symbol? The true magic symbol is an image which hides an inner meaning. This meaning is usually cunningly hidden behind a form which most people think they can understand immediately." ["Magic Symbols", by Frederick Goodman, page 6. Note: this book was bought in an occult bookstore].

After describing the various attributes of the "magic symbol" as the communicator of occult knowledge among the adepts, while simultaneously hiding such knowledge from the "vulgar", or non-occultist, Goodman finishes the chapter with an interesting sentence. "It is sufficient for us to note that within the details of Figure 9, there are numerous small details of symbolism which might be easily missed by casual observation, but which, once perceived, acts as visual parables on the nature of the image as a whole. This is the very essence of magical symbolism." [Ibid., p. 14]

I reiterate: Occult symbols act as the communicator of occult knowledge among the adepts, while simultaneously hiding such knowledge from the "vulgar", or non-occultist person. Thus, while the vast, vast majority of American citizens had no idea what to make of these "pornographic" ornaments, Hillary was sending a coded message to all fellow occultists. Believe me, these other occultists had no difficulty understanding the message: The Presidency was under the control of two powerful witches, the god and goddess, Co-Presidents. The Illuminati was fully in charge.

Now, let us return to the type of ornaments Hillary chose for her Christmas tree in the Blue Room. We shall return back to the subject of the Co-Presidency later in another article.

9) "Crack pipes hung on a string." Once you understand the significance of this type of symbol, you will understand that, not only are Bill and Hillary deeply occultic and powerful witches, you will also understand that they are Luciferian Illuminists, not your ordinary Satanists. Listen to Marquis' explanation. Remember, you are going to be reading the interpretation and teaching of a Luciferian, not a Bible scholar. Marquis is speaking here as a Luciferian would be speaking, even though he now is a Christian and does not believe this.

Crack pipes are indicative of Lucifer's built-in vocal chord pipes, cracked when he fell, when he was defeated by God; Lucifer was created as God's angel of Music, even to the point of being created with "tabrets and "pipes" being built into his vocal cords {Ezekiel 28:13} so he could sing the more beautifully for God's glory. When Lucifer fell, his beauty and his wisdom were corrupted. These pipes were actually cracked, because his former glorified body was destroyed. Therefore, the Illuminist envisions the "crack pipes hung on a string" as being representative of Lucifer.

There can be no stronger proof than this one that Bill and Hillary are practicing witches, and Luciferian witches, at that! This is absolute proof, what FBI Agent Aldrich calls, "Moosehead truth" or truth that is inherently indisputable and requires no explanation. Listen to Aldrich's illustration. "Water is wet, fire burns, con men con." [p. 2-3] Well, this article represents the "Moosehead Truth" that Bill and Hillary are practicing Illuminist witches. But, this one type of ornament -- if it was all we had to go on -- would be the Moosehead Truth. Only a practicing Luciferian would use crack pipes on her Christmas tree!

At this point, I feel the need to explain what separates a Satanist from a Luciferian Illuminist. The Luciferian Illuminist looks with disdain upon the "inferior" Satanist. If you even call a Luciferian Illuminist a Satanist, he or she will likely kill you. The Satanist derives his or her power from the animal energy through animal sacrifices. But, the Luciferian Illuminist derives his or her power from the energy derived from the human, through human sacrifices. Thus, the Luciferian Illuminist is a more power brand of Black Magick than the Satanist. The force driving the world to the New World Order Kingdom of Antichrist is the Luciferian Illuminist. Bill and Hillary Clinton are Luciferian Illuminists.

10) "Three French hens were French-kissing in a menage a trois." This represents the 3 faces of the goddess, the Spring Maid, the Earth Mother, and the Fall Crone. Once again, only an occultist would put such an object on her Christmas tree. French-kissing is itself a very strong symbol of the sex act, as it does only one thing -- strongly stimulate sexual lust so that both partners want only one thing, sexual union.

11) "So many of the ornaments didn't celebrate Christmas as much as they celebrated sex, drugs, and rock and roll." When I shared this statement by Agent Aldrich about the general characteristics of Hillary's Christmas tree ornaments, Marquis simply said, "You expected something else from a witch?"

12) " 'Have you seen Bertha?', one FBI agent asked Gary Aldrich during the time they were 'decorating' Hillary's Blue Room Christmas tree. "Yes, I had seen Bertha -- big, ebony Bertha. Bertha was a statue that Hillary had selected to be placed along the public tour line ... Bertha was twice life-size and was very naked. Bertha had enormous buttocks, far out of proportion to the rest of her body. This is why the permanent White House staff named her Bertha, which is short for 'Bertha's Big Butt'. This is what the first lady considered appropriate for the eyes of thousands and thousands of visitors who toured the White House -- Bertha's Big Butt." [p. 102] While 99.999% of all people who saw this monstrosity would have no idea what it meant, and what Hillary was trying to do, all practicing witches would know immediately what "Bertha's Big Butt" statute meant. Listen to Doc Marquis' explanation.

This statue is obviously Lilith, whom occultists believe was Adam's first wife. Lilith is thought of as the Hebrew female devil. It is she who taught Adam all about witchcraft, since she was a sorceress. Lilith can be shown as any race, however. In this image, she is shown part black and part white

Thus, Hillary placed a statute of a black sorceress, Lilith, out in the public reviewing line. Once again, Hillary was sending a signal to fellow occultists that the White House was now in control of the deepest, blackest, practicing witches possible, Illuminist witches.

There is another possible explanation for this big black statue of a female that is "twice life-size" [p. 102]. Why would this statute be twice as large as a normal human being? Instead of this statue standing up, think of her as lying on her back. If she were lying on her back, she could be an altar in a Satanic ceremony! Listen to Anton LaVey, in his book, "The Satanic Bible". "Satanism is a religion of the flesh, rather than of the spirit; therefore, an altar of flesh is used in Satanic ceremonies. The purpose of an altar is to serve as a focal point towards which all attention is focused during a ceremony. A nude woman is used as the altar in Satanic rituals because the woman is the natural passive receptor, and represents the earth mother." [p. 135-136]

If Hillary intended for this statue to represent a Satanic altar of a nude woman, it would make sense for it to be "twice life-size". Further, since the objective of the nude woman as the altar is to "focus attention" during the Satanic ceremony, it would also make sense for her to have oversized buttocks, the better to focus your attention!

13) "Some ornaments were constructed out of various drug paraphernalia, like syringes, heroin spoons, or roach clips ... used to hold marijuana joints." [Ibid.] This is classic for an occultist. The drug paraphernalia is commonly used by an occultist. Illuminists can use all kinds of drugs except mind altering drugs. Drugs are used to close the Conscious Mind, open the Subconscious Mind, and allow them to maintain communication with their Spirit Guides. Witches wear pentagrams because it allows them to maintain communication with the spirit world.]

Once again, this type of Christmas tree ornament could only have been conceived by a practicing occultist! No one on earth not involved in the occult would ever, ever even think of hanging drug paranphernalia like this on their Christmas tree. Once again, we can only conclude that Hillary and Bill are, indeed, practicing witches.

Once again, the truth about the occultic nature of Hillary Clinton comes through very loud and very clear! As disgusting as all this detail is, you cannot any longer deny that she is what Doc Marquis said she is, a practicing witch that is more powerful than Bill Clinton!

You simply cannot ignore the fact that Bill and Hillary Clinton are powerful practising Illuminist witches, just as Doc Marquis recognized in November, 1992, after closly observing the two of them on television. Yet, why should we be surprised, since world events are clearly flashing the signal that the End of the Age Kingdom of Antichrist is close at hand? We would naturally expect that the final American president would be one that would be of the same type of person as Antichrist [Read NEWS1215 , "Clinton Identifiable In Prophecy As One of the 10 Kings of Daniel and Revelation].

Since the Antichrist is going to be a most powerful Illuminist witch, we should not be surprised that the final president is an Illuminist witch, as well. I have long thought that the fact that Clinton is our 42nd President carries great prophetic significance. The number, 42, is one of the Biblical numbers for the Antichrist and his kingdom. Why? Because the Antichrist will serve only 7 Jewish years once he confirms the Covenant with the spiritual leaders of Israel. But, this 84 month period will be equally divided into two parts, each 42 months long. Further, the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation will be the most violent and destructive in world history, as God pours His wrath of Judgment upon the wicked world at the same time Satan is wreaking unparalleled havoc through Antichrist. When I did a word study on the number 42 in Scripture ['forty and two' in the KJV], you will notice that each usage is in connection with some kind of judgment.

I do believe Clinton -- America's 42nd President -- might be the last President; therefore, I believe it is also of tremendous importance that he is an Illuminist witch.

Truly, the End of the Age is upon us.

Not exactly. His very liberal view of the immigrant situation is just that...very liberal. There are ways ("...render unto Caesar...") to gain legal documentation. The problem is not that we need to legalize those who are here. The problem is we need to streamline the immigration laws so that those who have been trying to legally wade through all the redtape don't have to wait so long. I don't know what specifically that would take but blanket citizenship to all immigrants is insanity.

Government subsidized healthcare is a disaster in every nation that has trod that path.

scnative did you just say "God forbid we do what the bible says"???
Quit messin' with my head man!!!

Please dont take me in the wrong since. I'm not talking down about the bible. I'm simply saying that as the President of the United States, you rule a country with a freedom of religion. Our laws come from the constitution. In a country where every religion is equal, who is Huckabee, or anybody else running for president,to say that his book will be the one that rules the country? Our founding fathers created the seperation of church and state to keep out any god from government.

Its funny how the bible also once stated that it was an abomination to eat shellfish and an abomination to approach the altar of God with a defect in your eye, and that you shouldnt plant 2 crops in the same field. When they were removed, why did homosexuality stay?

I'm also wondering why you would simply limit your reply to "Ooooo! And God forbid we should do what the bible says." Why not try to challenge my views, politely of course. Afterall, this is politics.